trying to have xp and win 2003 server on the same machine

Discussion in 'Virtual PC' started by Mohan, Jan 11, 2005.

  1. Mohan

    Mohan Guest

    I would like to run win xp and win 2003 server on the same machine. Can I do
    this with either Virtual PC 204, Virtual Server 2005, or a combination of the
    two?

    Need is more general but it started by my need to support some drivers that
    were only supported on xp or windows 2000 and I have windows 2003 server
    running on a machine. Currently when I try to install xp or win 2k drivers on
    win 2003 server it give nt server minor version error. If the answer to the
    first para is yes, then will I be able to install these drivers on the xp
    virtual machine while having the win 2003 server co-exist.

    Thanks
     
    Mohan, Jan 11, 2005
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  2. Mohan

    Robert Comer Guest

    I would like to run win xp and win 2003 server on the same machine. Can I
    Either Virtual Server or Virtual PC can do that, though Win2003 isn't a
    supported guest of Virtual PC and Windows XP isn't a support guest for
    Virtual Server. They work right now, but it's not supported.
    Actually, that's a problem. If you have special drivers that need to run in
    Windows XP, you'll have to run XP as the host OS. A virtual machine
    emulates a specific set of hardware and can't use the host's hardware
    directly.

    - Bob Comer
     
    Robert Comer, Jan 11, 2005
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  3. Mohan

    mohan Guest

    Just so that I have it clear. In order to have any xp limited driver run,
    I need to have XP as the host in a virtual machine environment? Therefore,
    1) Install XP pro first with sp2
    2) Install Virtual PC (instead of virtual server)
    3) Install xp pro again with sp2 as virtual machine. Do I need to do this?
    4) Install Windows 2003 server as another agent (guest)
    sorry about (3) and (4) I have not installed virtual PC and so I am not sure
    about the details yet?

    Can I install the driver after I have done steps 1) thru 4) without getting
    the error I mentioned? How will the install know what the scope into which
    the install should go?

    Will the two operating environments work as islands without conflict?
     
    mohan, Jan 11, 2005
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  4. Mohan

    Robert Comer Guest

    1) Install XP pro first with sp2
    Only if you need another XP environment. I'd say no from your description.
    I'd install the drivers after 1), but just to be clear, this special
    hardware is only going to be visible on the host. (Windows XP) The Win2003
    guest wont be able to see it.
    The guest doesn't always run, you have to start it up after the host OS is
    running. The two environments are separate.

    - Bob Comer
     
    Robert Comer, Jan 11, 2005
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  5. Mohan

    Bill Grant Guest

    You seem to have missed the point that Robert was making. What sort of
    drivers are we talking about here?

    If you mean hardware drivers (video etc) a VPC environment is not going
    to help you. Virtual machines use emulated devices, not the devices in the
    host machine. If you want to try using different device drivers for devices
    on the host machine, you will be better served multibooting two or more OSs
    on the host. And you will need to reboot to switch from one to the other.
     
    Bill Grant, Jan 11, 2005
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  6. Mohan

    Steven Dunn Guest

    I have Win 98, Win NT, Win 2K, Win XP Pro and Win 2003 installed on my test
    machine and all work fine together
    Steven
     
    Steven Dunn, Jan 11, 2005
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  7. Mohan

    mohan Guest

    Thanks Robert
     
    mohan, Jan 11, 2005
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  8. Mohan

    mohan Guest

    Which one is host and which are guests. Do you any sound cards installed and
    if so which os is assigned the driver? If a certain order of installation
    made a difference please let me know.

    How do you deal with storage/disk allocation between the different OSes?

    I believe VSS can be used for backup in Virtual Server env. Do u use
    anything in your environment?

    Thanks
     
    mohan, Jan 11, 2005
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  9. Mohan

    mohan Guest

    I am installing a external usb dvd movie writer from HP. They only have
    drivers for win XP and 2k. I was hoping to have win xp and 2003 server work
    concurrently but only win xp app need be interfacing with the usb device.

    On a related note, for network printers, for visibility in both
    environments, do they need to have drivers installed on both or is it
    installed on one and shared by another somehow?

    Thanks
     
    mohan, Jan 11, 2005
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  10. Mohan

    mohan Guest

    You seem to have missed the point that Robert was making. What sort of
    I am installing a HP DVD movie writer (usb device) which provides drivers
    only for xp and 2k. I would like to have xp and win 2003 server working
    concurrently but my application running in the xp env. need be the only one
    accessing the movie writer. I guess the issue is similar to having a sound
    card installed since most of those provide drivers only for xp and 2k.

    On a related note, if I need to access a network printer, do I need to
    install the device driver on each operating environment or install on one and
    share on another?

    Thanks
     
    mohan, Jan 11, 2005
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  11. Mohan

    Robert Comer Guest

    You're welcome!

    - Bob Comer
     
    Robert Comer, Jan 11, 2005
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  12. Mohan

    Robert Comer Guest

    On a related note, if I need to access a network printer, do I need to
    You need to install it in both operating environments.

    - Bob Comer
     
    Robert Comer, Jan 11, 2005
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  13. Mohan

    Scott Baker Guest

    Scott Baker, Jan 11, 2005
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  14. Mohan

    Scott Baker Guest

    Each VM is completely separate. If you had multiple physical PCs, would
    you have to install the appropriate drivers on each one? Same for VMs.

    Scott
     
    Scott Baker, Jan 11, 2005
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  15. Mohan

    Scott Baker Guest

    Replied to the original post.

    Scott

     
    Scott Baker, Jan 11, 2005
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  16. Mohan

    mohan Guest

    Scott,

    If however, I install Xp+sp2 as host and install the usb driver with that
    and then install VPC and then have win 2003 server run as guest would it
    work. Would I then be able to have xp and win 2003 server apps running
    "concurrently" where I can invoke the usb device from the xp environment
     
    mohan, Jan 11, 2005
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  17. Mohan

    mohan Guest

    VPC does not support USB devices (except for passthrough of host
    If however, I install Xp+sp2 as host and install the usb driver with that
    and then install VPC and then have win 2003 server run as guest would it
    work. Would I then be able to have xp and win 2003 server apps running
    "concurrently" where I can invoke the usb device from the xp environment
     
    mohan, Jan 11, 2005
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  18. VPC does not support USB in the virtual machines, so I don't think you will
    be able to use VPC to solve your driver problem.
     
    Robin Walker [MVP], Jan 11, 2005
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  19. Mohan

    mohan Guest

    Here is my last question to Scott Baker, will this work?If however, I install Xp+sp2 as host and install the usb driver with that
    and then install VPC and then have win 2003 server run as guest would it
    work. Would I then be able to have xp and win 2003 server apps running
    "concurrently" where I can invoke the usb device from the xp environment
    <
     
    mohan, Jan 11, 2005
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  20. Your plan to run the OS (XP) that supports the drivers for you movie
    software as your host is right. From there you can write your movies (using
    XP) and then any other operating systems you want as guests under VPC.
     
    Colin Barnhorst, Jan 11, 2005
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