Ultimate Version's unnecessary stuff

Discussion in 'Windows Vista Installation' started by rmberryman, Oct 5, 2007.

  1. rmberryman

    rmberryman Guest

    As I prepared to upgrade our three computers, I purchased my first Windows
    Vista Home Premium and got as far as "Upgrade is disabled", telling me I MUST
    do a clean install. Uhhh... not in THIS lifetime! It went on to explain
    that I CANNOT upgrade XP Pro to Home Premium, but this is NOT on the package
    or any info in the Staples store (which has agreed to take it back). My
    question is: If I am FORCED to buy Vista Ultimate, can I avoid installing all
    the stuff I DON'T need? Otherwise, I will stay with XP for a few more years.
    THANK YOU for any info!
     
    rmberryman, Oct 5, 2007
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  2. You can only upgrade Windows XP Professional
    to either Windows Vista Business or Ultimate.
    You can always uninstall certain Vista components in
    the "Programs and Features" > "Turn Windows
    features on or off" applet located in Vista's
    new Control Panel.

    --
    Carey Frisch
    Microsoft MVP
    Windows Shell/User

    ---------------------------------------------------------------

    As I prepared to upgrade our three computers, I purchased my first Windows
    Vista Home Premium and got as far as "Upgrade is disabled", telling me I MUST
    do a clean install. Uhhh... not in THIS lifetime! It went on to explain
    that I CANNOT upgrade XP Pro to Home Premium, but this is NOT on the package
    or any info in the Staples store (which has agreed to take it back). My
    question is: If I am FORCED to buy Vista Ultimate, can I avoid installing all
    the stuff I DON'T need? Otherwise, I will stay with XP for a few more years.
    THANK YOU for any info!
     
    Carey Frisch [MVP], Oct 5, 2007
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  3. rmberryman

    rmberryman Guest

    Thank you, Carey... that's HALF good news! Being able to "turn off" unwanted
    features is good, but it would be better if we could simply NOT INSTALL them,
    rather than having them sit there and occupy disc space while being about as
    useful as last week's newspaper. I DO appreciate your courtesy of replying.
    It just upsets me that Microsoft is FORCING me to spend an extra hundred
    bucks for features I wouldn't buy! The "Home Premium" version has everything
    I want or need. Best wishes.
     
    rmberryman, Oct 6, 2007
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  4. rmberryman

    Rick Rogers Guest

    Hi,

    A custom upgrade will allow you to select what features you do and do not
    want. Is there something in particular that you are trying to avoid? A
    typical of Ultimate is fairly lean, so I'm curious.
     
    Rick Rogers, Oct 6, 2007
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  5. Windows XP Pro to Windows Vista is a kind of downgrade and is not new
    with Windows Vista.
    Similar to windows 2000 will not upgrade to Windows XP Home:
    http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/pro/upgrading/matrix.mspx
    That is because you are going from a version intended for use in a
    business environment to a home environment and has not been a valid
    path..

    Did you purchase Windows Vista Home Premium or upgrade?
    If it is Upgrade, what is written on the front, top of the box under
    "Upgrade"?
    I think that explains the upgrade paths although I do not have that
    version in front of me now.

    If you post which features you do not want, you may be given specific
    answers for removing/disabling those features..

    Exactly what features in Windows Vista is driving your upgrade?
    Some can be removed in the Programs and Features section in the
    Control Panel.
     
    Jupiter Jones [MVP], Oct 6, 2007
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  6. rmberryman

    rmberryman Guest

    Thanks, Rick...

    I DON'T need the "business backup", or the "BitLocker and Drive encryption"
    There is so much security stuff on our computers that it's becoming
    ridiculous. The extra networking capability MIGHT be useful, because we DO
    have a LAN (three computers). But I was told that Home Premium has no
    trouble with a home-based LAN. It just bugs me that we are told we MUST pay
    an extra hundred dollars (THREE hundred dollars in my case).

    I like your answer better than the first response, because NOT installing
    unwanted features is preferable to installing them and then turning them off
    (which doesn't UNinstall them!).
     
    rmberryman, Oct 6, 2007
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  7. rmberryman

    Rick Rogers Guest

    Hi,

    The business backup in Ultimate is essentially the same as in Home Premium,
    the only difference being that you have an option of doing a full image
    backup, not just a file backup. It occupies no additional space or memory
    unless you actually choose to use it (and actually, I would recommend that
    you take advantage of this feature as a safeguard).

    Bitlocker and Drive Encryption is a downloadable extra that you will qualify
    for, but is not installed by default. Simply don't download it if you don't
    want it. I don't use it either. Same goes for the rest of the Ultimate
    extras.

    The extra networking capability is in the additional capacity to connect to
    a domain, something unlikely to be used in a home environment. The
    capabilities of connecting to a workgroup lan is the same in all versions.
     
    Rick Rogers, Oct 6, 2007
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  8. rmberryman

    John Inzer Guest

    ===================================
    Maybe installing Vista on a separate partition
    and dual booting would be attractive to you.

    I'm no expert on dual-booting but the
    following info worked for me. One
    other point...when I first installed Vista
    I constantly received errors...updating my
    BIOS solved that.

    Doesn't have to be a second hard drive...
    if your main drive is large enough you can
    install on a separate partition. 15 to 20 GB
    is considered to be adequate for the install
    but 40 GB or more would be better.

    First...hook up all your hardware and run
    the Windows Vista Upgrade Advisor...just
    to see where you stand.

    Windows Vista Upgrade Advisor
    http://tinyurl.com/27pekc

    Also..."Important"...backup all of your personal
    files...My Documents / My Pictures / E-mail /
    Everything...etc...you never know what might
    go wrong.

    You may need to reduce the size of
    your Primary Active partition to create
    some unallocated space.

    I used Acronis Disk Director Suite 10
    to accomplish this but there are other
    options such as the app. mentioned
    in the following article.

    How to dual-boot Vista with XP -
    step-by-step guide with screenshots
    http://tinyurl.com/ysh8hy

    Gnome Partition Editor
    http://gparted.sourceforge.net/

    Once you have the unallocated space
    available...you may need to enter your
    BIOS and change the boot order so
    you can boot from the Vista disk. From
    that point just follow the onscreen
    instructions. To access the BIOS on my
    machine...I have to press and hold the
    Delete key when it's powering up.

    When Vista installs it will create it's own
    partition on the unallocated space.

    The following links may be useful also:

    Dual-Booting Vista and XP
    http://www.windowstalk.org/dual_boot_vista.htm

    Dual-Booting Vista and XP (Part 2)
    http://www.windowstalk.org/dual_boot_part2.htm

    Also the following freebie is very useful in
    managing your Boot options.

    VistaBootPRO
    http://www.vistabootpro.org/index.php
    (scroll down to the download link)

    --

    John Inzer
    MS Picture It! -
    Digital Image MVP

    Digital Image
    Highlights and FAQs
    http://tinyurl.com/aczzp

    Notice
    This is not tech support
    I am a volunteer

    Solutions that work for
    me may not work for you

    Proceed at your own risk
     
    John Inzer, Oct 6, 2007
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  9. rmberryman

    rmberryman Guest

    Jupiter: Thank you (and others) for replying to my query about my failed
    Vista upgrade. There is nothing about the prohibition on the front of the
    box, but you are absolutely correct; there IS fine print on the back which
    says a clean install is necessary. Staples has agreed to take back my
    uninstalled Home Premium. Except for IE7 crashing 10 to 12 times a day, XP
    runs perfectly on my main computer, so I've decided to KEEP XP Pro for a long
    time, rather than buy a version of Vista I don't need or want. I was looking
    forward to improved multimedia features, but I'm having no trouble handling
    my photography stuff in XP. This has been a lesson in "Be happy with what
    you've got"!
     
    rmberryman, Oct 6, 2007
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