Understanding "Find a Message", Desktop & Advanced Search

Discussion in 'Windows Live Mail' started by willyhoops.com, Mar 25, 2008.

  1. I looks like the "Find a Message" box is not searching within messages and
    only in titles and sender names etc. Can I change this please so I can use
    this box to search inside messages?

    Finally I found the advanced search on the edit, find menu. Can I create a
    button to this on the toolbar?

    It told me at some point that I needed to download Windows Desktop Search.
    After doing so I could see no difference and now I have an extra icon on the
    task bar and in windows explorer the old search has been replaced with
    Desktop Search which after twenty minutes of trying to find files I gave up
    on. Moreover this app is usless for searching email since it does not list to
    name, from name, date, folder etc. Can I remove this application and what
    difference will it make to live mail?

    Many thanks...
     
    willyhoops.com, Mar 25, 2008
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  2. Desktop search is beyond me. One time I saw a way to search fields inside
    emails but normally it does not show this option. Presumally there is a way
    to switch to an advanced view but it is, like most new msft guis, impossible
    to use.

    It also looks like the messages it finds are all very old. Only my advanced
    search (from the hidden menu bar) is actually working properly for words
    inside the message body.
     
    willyhoops.com, Mar 25, 2008
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  3. Clicking the Search button at the top bring up a way to search fields inside
    emails and names on documents etc. There is no search contents of message or
    contents of file for some bizare reason here. I think the project manager was
    on drugs. Why did they choose such a strange list of menu bar items in this
    app as well.

    I am beginning to think my problem may be that Desktop Search is only
    picking up my old outlook express emails present before i ugraded to live
    mail.

    But the find a message box is finding more recent stuff - maybe it has no
    link to desktop search anyway?
     
    willyhoops.com, Mar 25, 2008
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  4. Just learn to press Ctrl-Shift-F ; )


    Me too! Actually the difference is that my harddrive grinds away
    as if MS employees have stock in drive manufacturing companies
    or perhaps it is just a ploy to make me upgrade my hardware and
    move to Vista? <eg>

    In fact, in my case, I suspect because I still have OE as my default
    mailer, WDS just didn't bother adding the necessary path to the
    WLMail message store. I fixed that but it still isn't finding anything useful
    (when I try to use WLMail's Ctrl-e Search bar.)

    And something has to be done about the thrashing that that app
    is causing. I tried to use Task Manager to set a lower priority
    on all WDS tasks but this is explicitly denied. WDS Snooze
    Indexing is not enough to stop its overhead. The only thing that
    settles things down is (e.g. from a cmd window): net stop wsearch
    If I could remember when I leave my computer I suppose I could
    restart that and see if it ever quiets down enough to be less disruptive.


    After stopping that wsearch service I still see *some* results
    (using that Ctrl-e search bar.) It looks as if it could be equivalent
    to a headers only search. One nice difference then is that
    I can search for multiple words and not have to worry
    about their order or spacing or associated punctuation.

    Otherwise I would be just as happy getting rid of that search bar.
    It just takes up space most of the time and occasionally is an
    extra aggravation when I mistype something and then
    a character ends up in it, changing my message list.
    The only thing I can do with it that is uniquely useful
    is remind myself which newsgroup I am in (without using
    its Folder pane), e.g. since WLMail does not have
    the equivalent of OE's (horizontal) Folder bar.) ; }


    Good luck

    Robert Aldwinckle
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    Robert Aldwinckle, Mar 25, 2008
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  5. willyhoops.com

    Guest Guest

    Desktop search is rather slow at completing the file indexing need to
    find the newer files.
     
    Guest, Mar 25, 2008
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    Ildhund Guest

    When WDS works properly, it works very well, and the word wheel ("Find a
    message") is lightning fast - much quicker than the real-time Edit > Find
    procedure. It's just not configured to work out of the box. Make sure your
    Store folder (Options > Advanced > Maintenance > Store folder button will
    tell you where it is) is marked for indexing (Right-click on the folder in
    Explorer, select Properties > General tab > Advanced button) and included in
    indexed locations in WDS (Click on the tray icon and select WDS Search
    options > Modify to select the Store folder). Check also that on the
    Advanced > File types tab, eml and nws files are included and the option to
    Index properties and file contents is selected. OK your way out, then go to
    bed.
     
    Ildhund, Mar 25, 2008
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  7. Yea I made sure my message folder has search enabled in the advanced tab. I
    even whet into the hotmail sub directory, then the sent items and right
    clicked search which brought up desktop search. I then typed a single word
    into there and got no results. Yet looking in that folder I can see my
    messages as .eml files. I then tried searching for exactly the same word in
    the edit, find menu of windows live mail and it worked no problem. So somehow
    my desktop search is not looking inside the files even though it is set to
    index the folder... maybe there is some option in desktop search to disable
    this?
     
    willyhoops.com, Mar 26, 2008
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    Ildhund Guest

    That folder is clearly not being indexed by WDS. That being the case, the
    WDS window should tell you when you right-click on the folder and select
    Search - a little box at the bottom of the left hand pane. Does it?
    --
    Noel
    [Please quote at least some of what you're replying to - otherwise those of
    us using newsreaders have to keep going backwards and forwards to follow a
    thread. Best of all, stop using that dreadful web interface and try out
    WLMail as a newsreader. It works fine.]
     
    Ildhund, Mar 26, 2008
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  9. I have no box at the bottom left, just a few words saying "Click here to use
    Search Companion" and a picture of a dog.

    Above that I have the box "Folder:" ... and this contains the directory in
    question.

    Now if I do click on the dog and bring up the old search companion and type
    the word into the old "A word or phrase in the file:" box then it takes a
    while but it does find a bunch of .eml files.

    And I can confirm again that righ clicking in windows explorer shows the
    advanced option "For fast searching, allow Indexing Service to index this
    folder" as checked.

    I guess I have bug in Windows Desktop Search?
     
    willyhoops.com, Mar 26, 2008
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  10. willyhoops.com

    Ildhund Guest

    No, I wouldn't say that, but it's not working properly. Two things to try:

    (1) Rebuild your index. If you have a lot of files, this could take some
    time (several hours), so it's the sort of thing to let the machine get on
    with overnight. Before you do, just confirm (which you haven't yet done)
    that at WDS Search Options > Modify, your Store folder is definitely
    selected.

    If that still doesn't enable you to search in the body of mail messages,

    (2) If you still have the installer (a file called
    WindowsDesktopSearch-KB917013-V301-XP-x86-ENU.MSI), right-click on it and
    select Repair.

    Otherwise, a reinstall is called for. Go to http://tinyurl.com/3dp976 and
    Save the MSI file instead of Run (so you can perform step (2) in the
    future). When you run the MSI, disconnect from the Internet and make sure
    your antivirus is disabled meanwhile. It may be politic to uninstall WDS
    3.01 using Add/Remove programs first, so that the same glitch doesn't
    survive a reinstall.

    This sounds like a lot of bother, but I can assure you it's worthwhile. It
    really is a delight to be able to start typing in the Find a message field
    and see the results almost instantaneously.

    Good luck.
     
    Ildhund, Mar 26, 2008
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