Updates Vs Security Updates

Discussion in 'Windows Update' started by JHUK, Mar 5, 2007.

  1. JHUK

    JHUK Guest

    Are "windows security updates" supposed to be
    included in "windows updates"? I check and install
    updates manually and have noticed that I have had
    relatively few "windows updates" to install; around 3 or 4
    since Xmas. I subsequently installed Windows Defender,
    (and updated it). A few days later I discovered the
    "Windows Security Updates" site via an option on
    Defender's control panel. I was then surprised to
    discover that I had 66 security updates ready to
    download! some dating back to 2004! Shouldn't
    "Windows Update" have notified me of these? Are
    "Windows Security Updates" separate entities to 'normal' updates?
    I don't understand the disparity.
    I have XP Pro and am running Windows Defender, Zone
    Alarm Internet Suite, AVG AntiVirus and SpyBot Search
    and Destroy. There's also a hardware firewall in the router
    that I'm using.
    Is the fact that these updates were apparrently
    'invisible' significant in some way? Could this be the
    result of mal ware or even hacking!? As you can see
    I'm reasonably well protected! I've discovered and
    deleted the odd piece of Adware or a Tracking cookie.
    I even found a virus from a download onto a previous
    machine but it was still in an archive without the
    infected program being executed.This may all be
    paranoid speculation but it does seem a little odd.
    Any light would be useful! Thanks.

    JHUK, Mar 5, 2007
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  2. Could this be the result of mal ware or even hacking!?

    Most likely related to Zone Alarm 'preventing' the system from obtaining
    ALL Security update bulletins dating back to June 1, 1998 are listed
    here: http://www.microsoft.com/technet/security/current.aspx

    ALL of the above updates are available from the Windows Update site.

    Could you please state specifically what you used in Windows Defender to
    identify which updates had not been previously installed ?

    MowGreen [MVP 2003-2007]
    *-343-* FDNY
    Never Forgotten
    MowGreen [MVP], Mar 5, 2007
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  3. JHUK

    JHUK Guest

    Hi, and thanks for the response,

    Ok, I didn't actually use Defender itself to identify my machine's update
    status, but the procedure went pretty much like this:-

    1.) Opened Defender
    2.) Hit the tools tab
    3.) Clicked "Windows defender website" link.
    4.) Arrived at Windows Defender Home, aka


    5.) Clicked "Latest Security Updates" tab in 'Security Updates'

    Ok, as I'm using Opera I had to manually install. Now I'm uncertain of what
    I *exactly* did but I found myself with the Windows updates dialogue box open
    (it was 5am ..perhaps I clicked the yellow shield icon in the Sys tray at
    this point..) -and a list of 66 updates to download!

    Excuse the long winded answer but it was the Updates dialogue box not
    Defender that gave me this amount at this point, and had never done so
    before. Nothing catagorically stated that I *didn't* have any of the listed
    updates, I'm presuming that this was the case by the fact that they were
    presented to me..

    Does this help?



    JHUK, Mar 6, 2007
  4. Howdy,

    Yup. Thanks for the detailed explanation. A possible scenario is that
    you switched Opera to be detected as IE. I don't recall if Opera can run
    IE's rendering engine as Firefox with/IETab installed can, but no matter
    how you accessed an update site, either Window or Microsoft Update, that
    often triggers the yellow AU icon in the system tray.
    At least that's what I've witnessed.

    Updating issues would be logged in the Event Viewer under System. The
    Source would be Windows Update Agent.
    Suggest you check there and the WindowsUpdate.log, located in %windir%,
    to see if there are any error messages/codes. The most recent entries in
    the WU.log are down towards the bottom.

    There's no doubt that 'something' is preventing the system from being
    notified that there are updates available.

    MowGreen [MVP 2003-2007]
    *-343-* FDNY
    Never Forgotten

    MowGreen [MVP], Mar 6, 2007
  5. JHUK

    JHUK Guest

    Hi again,

    Excuse the delay, Hmm, I don't remember switching Opera to be detected as
    IE. I don't know if that's an option to be honest. I checked the WU log and
    sure enough there are various "failures" and "not alloweds" listed including
    a large string of them towards the bottom. I remember clicking "allow" each
    time Zone Alarm detected an update installation attempt (ok I'm not an
    "allow all" kind of guy..). I presume that there's a connection.
    Perhaps it is Zone Alarm? Microsoft Tech Suport highlight it (and other 3rd
    party software) as an option. I've deep-scanned the machine and found
    nothing that would obviously hide available updates.. Do you know of any
    great system scanning tools? ZA Internet Suite set to "Deep Scan" anti
    virus/spyware seems to be the best I'm aware of anyway. Well I paid for
    aggressive, thorough system protection, maybe that's what I got?!
    What should I looking for in the log to narrow things down? The word
    "failed" is all very well but it doesn't tell me why?



    JHUK, Mar 8, 2007
  6. In the WindowsUpdate.log there will be an error code for the
    installation failures. They'll appear similar to this -

    2006-12-10 13:24:28 352 2dc Misc WARNING: Send failed with hr = 80072ee7.
    2006-12-10 13:24:30 352 2dc Misc WARNING: SendRequest failed with hr =
    80072ee7. Proxy List used: <(null)> Bypass List used : <(null)> Auth
    Schemes used : <>
    2006-12-10 13:24:30 352 2dc Misc WARNING: WinHttp:
    SendRequestUsingProxy failed for
    error 0x80072ee7

    ZoneAlarm *is* known to cause issues such as the one the system is now
    experiencing. I'm not that familiar with current editions of it.
    Perhaps reading it's Help file would provide a clue as to the lack of
    notification of Critical Security updates.

    MowGreen [MVP 2003-2007]
    *-343-* FDNY
    Never Forgotten

    MowGreen [MVP], Mar 8, 2007
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