User Account Control, Security

Discussion in 'Windows Vista Security' started by CJ Rom, Apr 13, 2007.

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    CJ Rom Guest

    I am the only user of my computer - do I really need UAC enabled?
    With Windows Defender and firewall protection do I really need third-party
    antivirus and firewall?
    CJ Rom, Apr 13, 2007
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    Jesper Guest

    I am the only user of my computer - do I really need UAC enabled?

    Yes. It has nothing to do with protecting you from other users on your
    computer. It is about ensuring that you do not have to be an administrator
    all the time. When you run as an admin the slightest misclick can spell
    Anti-virus, yes. Firewall, no. The firewall in Windows is perfectly
    adequate, but Windows has no built-in anti-virus.
    Jesper, Apr 13, 2007
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    LoneStar Guest

    I may be committing a "mortal sin" according to many other users, but I
    haven't used any antivirus product on my XP and Vista PCs since I got them!
    I don't click on email attachments, I only download files from known,
    reputable web sites (CNet, MS, etc), and I don't go to web sites that might
    be problematic. Vista Defender is a good product and I do an online virus
    scan every week or so (from Symantec). I run Spybot and AdAware. The
    result is that both systems run fast and smooth. AND............. I always
    download Windows Updates when they arrive.

    LoneStar, Apr 13, 2007
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    Alun Harford Guest

    Or no misclick.
    Your software might contain a vulnerability which can be attacked. If
    it's not running as an administrator, you don't have serious problems.

    Alun Harford
    Alun Harford, Apr 13, 2007
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    Robert Moir Guest

    To be honest, I have often run without antivirus and been problem-free
    myself, however that would be very poor advice to give out to others who
    from the fact they're asking about basic things are clearly not going to be
    in the same position of awareness to judge risks for themselves properly.
    It's worth pointing out that the thing about trusted sites is that you trust
    them not to *intentionally* send you infected downloads. Same with email
    attatchments from friends (I assume you'll concede that while you don't have
    to open these apparently, you are not the entire world and some of us *do*
    have to open some sometimes).

    You can trust someone not to hurt you intentionally, and that trust might be
    very well placed, but even the best have accidents and bad days. Microsoft
    have offered virus infected documents for download before now, for example.
    Robert Moir, Apr 13, 2007
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    oisky Guest

    I'm Sorry but I can't find where to post a question but this is related to
    user account. I have had 3 user accounts for some time now but suddenly when
    I click on switch user nothing happens. when I use short cut 'windows+L'
    I get this message Computer is in use and has been locked. User name is ok
    Then it asks for password but doesn't accept any. When I "restart" and get
    back to main page I click on a different user account and it works
    oisky, Apr 13, 2007
  7. Not if you're confident that you know what you're doing.

    Most definitely on the anti-virus, as Windows Defender has no anti-virus
    capability. I'd also suggest using 3rd-party AntiSpyware applications, as
    Windows Defender really isn't "ready for prime time," yet. Same for the

    Bruce Chambers

    Help us help you:

    They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety
    deserve neither liberty nor safety. -Benjamin Franklin

    Many people would rather die than think; in fact, most do. -Bertrand Russell
    Bruce Chambers, Apr 14, 2007
  8. <grin>

    Did you know that even Microsoft pushed out an update a few years back that
    contained a virus.

    How about the Symantec antivirus update that contained a trojan (about a
    year ago).

    You just "think" you are safe.



    Richard Urban
    Microsoft MVP Windows Shell/User
    (For email, remove the obvious from my address)

    Quote from George Ankner:
    If you knew as much as you think you know,
    You would realize that you don't know what you thought you knew!
    Richard Urban, Apr 14, 2007
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    B. Nice Guest

    And when using "security products" you think you are more safe.
    B. Nice, Apr 14, 2007
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    LoneStar Guest

    You're correct, and I should probably talk myself into installing AVAST, or
    something like it. However, I've read many times that none of the AV
    programs can catch ALL "in the field" viruses and only a minority of
    zero-day types, heuristics used or not. But the odds are better with an AV
    app running -- and slowing the system down, etc. However, in any case, I
    will NEVER use anything made by Symantec (Norton)!!! Ever. I once did and
    it still haunts my XP registry despite many attempts to uninstall it, even
    with Symantec's own cleaning tools.

    LoneStar, Apr 16, 2007
  11. Symantec/Norton and McAfee act very much like a virus in that they can never
    be completely removed. Same goes for AOHell.



    Richard Urban
    Microsoft MVP Windows Shell/User
    (For email, remove the obvious from my address)

    Quote from George Ankner:
    If you knew as much as you think you know,
    You would realize that you don't know what you thought you knew!
    Richard Urban, Apr 17, 2007
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    oisky Guest

    Please, How do I post a new question. I click new then question but there is
    no where to write. I did this by clicking reply
    oisky, Apr 26, 2007
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    Rock Guest


    Don't use the awful web interface to access what are actually Usenet
    newsgroups. If you are posting from Vista, use Windows Mail to access these
    newsgroups directly under Microsoft Communities. If using XP Outlook
    Express can be configured for newsgroup access. Here is a link on how to do

    The setup is similar for OE and Windows Mail.

    Another option is to use Google Groups:

    Here is a list of Vista newsgroups:
    Rock, Apr 27, 2007
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    oisky Guest

    oisky, Apr 27, 2007
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    oisky Guest

    I have three user accounts. everything has been fine for twelve months.
    Suddenly, when I click on switch user, nothing happens. I click on window
    plus L and get a message saying
    Type name- ----------------
    Password What password. I have tried this but nothing happens
    Can anyone please help me
    oisky, Apr 27, 2007
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    Sasha Guest

    Just recently, after I got my system set up and running stable. I was surfing
    on the net and some website tried to install some kind of ActiveX control
    that I didn't need or want. UAC picked up on it and warned me to either
    accept it or deny it access and I denied it and when I had a friend go to the
    same site, it was a virus. So it does help.
    Sasha, May 4, 2007
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    Sasha Guest

    AVast picks up on a few trojans that Norton doesn't and a few other viruses
    that norton doesn't until you perform a complete system scan in norton that
    is. AVast warns me before the file even opens up. Don't ask me, just every so
    often when I was using XP, AVast caught websites that contained a trojan on
    it or had at least some code that was of questionable origin.
    Sasha, May 4, 2007

  18. And Avast doesn't screw up the computer and Windows Mail like Norton and
    McAfee do.
    Frank Saunders, MS-MVP OE/WM, May 4, 2007
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    Mick Guest

    At least a virus can be completely removed; unlike Norton, which wants to let
    Symantec keep their hand in your wallet
    Mick, May 7, 2007
  20. i doubt ou'd have known about that bad ax if you were usig ff or opera or
    mac browser,etc.

    if ou search the web, you might find a bookmarklet that allows you to [with
    a click] report suspected nasty websites.

    siteadvisor? (a mcaffee effort)


    [but it's unresponsive in bonecho 2004pre]

    further up this thread someone said avast found a trojan, but ime there's a
    good chance that was a false positive.

    going to post UAC post soon, maybe, aaaAAAARRRRGGGGgggg. it and similar
    popups are blocking *too many* deliberate actions. [such as pasting a
    no-install app, either in zip or in extracted state.]
    gaaaaaaaaaaaa, May 9, 2007
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