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    OREALLY Guest

    How Do I determine the version of Windows Live Mail (Desktop) I'm Using?

    Oreally
     
    OREALLY, Aug 11, 2012
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    Bruce Hagen Guest




    Are you using a newer version with the ribbon toolbar? Menu Button |
    About.
     
    Bruce Hagen, Aug 11, 2012
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    OREALLY Guest

    FileHippo says I'm using: 15.4.3555.308 and it offers: 16.4.3503

    But shouldn't the update be part of Windows Update?





    "Bruce Hagen" wrote in message



    Are you using a newer version with the ribbon toolbar? Menu Button |
    About.
     
    OREALLY, Aug 11, 2012
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    Bruce Hagen Guest




    I have the same build as you do and my machine is up to date. I have no
    idea what the FileHippo build is about.
     
    Bruce Hagen, Aug 11, 2012
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    OREALLY Guest

    OK...and where do you find that build info?

    Thanks

    "Bruce Hagen" wrote in message



    I have the same build as you do and my machine is up to date. I have no
    idea what the FileHippo build is about.
     
    OREALLY, Aug 11, 2012
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    Bruce Hagen Guest




    You click on the Menu Button, (At the top left of the Home Tab), and then
    the About button.
     
    Bruce Hagen, Aug 11, 2012
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    R. C. White Guest

    Hi, Bruce.

    Windows Live had another major naming convulsion last week! See Winston's
    post, "Windows Live Essentials 2012", in this NG on 8/7/12. While there
    were changes to several programs in the Live family, the pertinent part for
    this discussion is that when I click the Windows Live Mail button (that blue
    bar in the upper left) and then About, the screen that appears shows many
    lines, including these two:

    Windows Live Essentials 2012
    Version 2012 (Build 16.4.3503.0728)

    I think this re-naming and re-alignment of Movie Maker and Photo Gallery -
    and other changes, such as @Outlook.com - are all part of Microsoft's
    transition to the new Windows 8, which has gone RTM and will be Generally
    Available soon. We should stand by for further changes soon...

    RC
    --
    R. C. White, CPA
    San Marcos, TX

    Microsoft Windows MVP (2002-2010)
    Windows Live Mail 2012 (Build 16.4.3503.0728) in Win7 Ultimate x64 SP1


    "Bruce Hagen" wrote in message


    I have the same build as you do and my machine is up to date. I have no
    idea what the FileHippo build is about.
     
    R. C. White, Aug 12, 2012
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    Bruce Hagen Guest



    Hmmm. I have WLMail and Photo Gallery and Movie Maker on my machine. I
    don't use any of them. Perhaps if one has some other Live programs
    installed the WLMail build may update?

    The only reason I have WLMail installed is for reference purposes in the
    NGs and forums.
     
    Bruce Hagen, Aug 12, 2012
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    ...winston Guest

    Windows Live Mail 2012
    - Version 2012 (Build 16.4.3503.0728)

    is available as a download, it is not (at this time) pushed via the program's autoupdater, the programs current version request
    updater, or Windows/Microsoft Update.

    A lot of that has to do with the fact that components of Windows Essentials 2012 are (Windows 7 only)

    The latest MSFT statement
    If XP use WLE 2009
    If Vista use WLE 2011
    If Win7 use WLE 2012 (and only install Movie Maker 2012 if your video card fully supports Direct X 10 and Pixel Shader 2.0)
    - Catch 22 (you can't install Movie Maker without PhotoGallery - i.e. if your card doesn't meet the above you can install PG, but
    MM won't load)
    If Win8 - use WLE 2012 (though of late note...some Win7 systems that don't meet sys req for MM12 may actually work if upgraded to
    Win8) - ymmv




    --
    ....winston
    msft mvp mail


    "Bruce Hagen" wrote in message


    Hmmm. I have WLMail and Photo Gallery and Movie Maker on my machine. I
    don't use any of them. Perhaps if one has some other Live programs
    installed the WLMail build may update?

    The only reason I have WLMail installed is for reference purposes in the
    NGs and forums.
     
    ...winston, Aug 12, 2012
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    ...winston Guest

    You're using Windows Live Mail 2011 QFE3 (the last build for 2011).
    It does not autoupdate via the program or Windows Microsoft Update to Windows Live Mail 2012

    Windows Live Mail 2012 (is download/install only) and a component of Windows Essentials 2012.
    - installing WE2012 will update all programs.
    - if Movie Maker 12 (MM12) is installed it requires the video card display driver to support Direct X 10.
    - Direct X 11 comes with Windows 7 though that does not mean your video card supports Direct X 11, it may max out at an earlier
    level (9.0C or 10.0). Even if it supports 10, the latest driver may be necessary to run MM12
    - one can not install Photo Gallery 12 without Movie Maker 12 (i.e. its possible to have a functional 2012 PG but a 'fail to start
    MM12).



    --
    ....winston
    msft mvp mail


    "OREALLY" wrote in message
    How Do I determine the version of Windows Live Mail (Desktop) I'm Using?

    Oreally
     
    ...winston, Aug 12, 2012
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    Bruce Hagen Guest

    Windows Live Mail 2012
    - Version 2012 (Build 16.4.3503.0728)

    is available as a download, it is not (at this time) pushed via the
    program's autoupdater, the programs current version request
    updater, or Windows/Microsoft Update.

    A lot of that has to do with the fact that components of Windows
    Essentials 2012 are (Windows 7 only)

    The latest MSFT statement
    If XP use WLE 2009
    If Vista use WLE 2011
    If Win7 use WLE 2012 (and only install Movie Maker 2012 if your video card
    fully supports Direct X 10 and Pixel Shader 2.0)
    - Catch 22 (you can't install Movie Maker without PhotoGallery - i.e. if
    your card doesn't meet the above you can install PG, but
    MM won't load)
    If Win8 - use WLE 2012 (though of late note...some Win7 systems that don't
    meet sys req for MM12 may actually work if upgraded to
    Win8) - ymmv




    --
    ....winston
    msft mvp mail

    *******************************************************************

    Thanks, winston.
     
    Bruce Hagen, Aug 12, 2012
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    OREALLY Guest

    OK...I'm using Windows 7 Pro. How do I tell if the video card supports
    Direct X 10 and Pixel Shader 2.0? My card is an ATI Radeon (HD) 4200

    Thanks



    "...winston" wrote in message
    You're using Windows Live Mail 2011 QFE3 (the last build for 2011).
    It does not autoupdate via the program or Windows Microsoft Update to
    Windows Live Mail 2012

    Windows Live Mail 2012 (is download/install only) and a component of Windows
    Essentials 2012.
    - installing WE2012 will update all programs.
    - if Movie Maker 12 (MM12) is installed it requires the video card display
    driver to support Direct X 10.
    - Direct X 11 comes with Windows 7 though that does not mean your video card
    supports Direct X 11, it may max out at an earlier
    level (9.0C or 10.0). Even if it supports 10, the latest driver may be
    necessary to run MM12
    - one can not install Photo Gallery 12 without Movie Maker 12 (i.e. its
    possible to have a functional 2012 PG but a 'fail to start
    MM12).



    --
    ....winston
    msft mvp mail


    "OREALLY" wrote in message
    How Do I determine the version of Windows Live Mail (Desktop) I'm Using?

    Oreally
     
    OREALLY, Aug 12, 2012
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    ...winston Guest

    Click on the Windows Orb, enter dxdiag.exe, double click dxdiag.exe to run, wait for it to finish loading and checking.

    Report back with:
    1. The Direct X version on the System tab
    and
    2. The DDI version on the Display tab
    and
    3. Your current driver version in use for the ATI Radeon (HD) 4200

    Should provide enough info for us to determine if MM12 will run on your system.

    --
    ....winston
    msft mvp mail


    "OREALLY" wrote in message
    OK...I'm using Windows 7 Pro. How do I tell if the video card supports
    Direct X 10 and Pixel Shader 2.0? My card is an ATI Radeon (HD) 4200

    Thanks



    "...winston" wrote in message
    You're using Windows Live Mail 2011 QFE3 (the last build for 2011).
    It does not autoupdate via the program or Windows Microsoft Update to
    Windows Live Mail 2012

    Windows Live Mail 2012 (is download/install only) and a component of Windows
    Essentials 2012.
    - installing WE2012 will update all programs.
    - if Movie Maker 12 (MM12) is installed it requires the video card display
    driver to support Direct X 10.
    - Direct X 11 comes with Windows 7 though that does not mean your video card
    supports Direct X 11, it may max out at an earlier
    level (9.0C or 10.0). Even if it supports 10, the latest driver may be
    necessary to run MM12
    - one can not install Photo Gallery 12 without Movie Maker 12 (i.e. its
    possible to have a functional 2012 PG but a 'fail to start
    MM12).



    --
    ....winston
    msft mvp mail


    "OREALLY" wrote in message
    How Do I determine the version of Windows Live Mail (Desktop) I'm Using?

    Oreally
     
    ...winston, Aug 13, 2012
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    OREALLY Guest

    Here's the info:

    "...winston" wrote in message
    Click on the Windows Orb, enter dxdiag.exe, double click dxdiag.exe to run,
    wait for it to finish loading and checking.

    Report back with:
    1. The Direct X version on the System tab......11
    and
    2. The DDI version on the Display tab......10.1
    and
    3. Your current driver version in use for the ATI Radeon (HD) 4200.....WDDM
    1.1

    Should provide enough info for us to determine if MM12 will run on your
    system.

    --






    ....winston
    msft mvp mail


    "OREALLY" wrote in message
    OK...I'm using Windows 7 Pro. How do I tell if the video card supports
    Direct X 10 and Pixel Shader 2.0? My card is an ATI Radeon (HD) 4200

    Thanks



    "...winston" wrote in message
    You're using Windows Live Mail 2011 QFE3 (the last build for 2011).
    It does not autoupdate via the program or Windows Microsoft Update to
    Windows Live Mail 2012

    Windows Live Mail 2012 (is download/install only) and a component of Windows
    Essentials 2012.
    - installing WE2012 will update all programs.
    - if Movie Maker 12 (MM12) is installed it requires the video card display
    driver to support Direct X 10.
    - Direct X 11 comes with Windows 7 though that does not mean your video card
    supports Direct X 11, it may max out at an earlier
    level (9.0C or 10.0). Even if it supports 10, the latest driver may be
    necessary to run MM12
    - one can not install Photo Gallery 12 without Movie Maker 12 (i.e. its
    possible to have a functional 2012 PG but a 'fail to start
    MM12).



    --
    ....winston
    msft mvp mail


    "OREALLY" wrote in message
    How Do I determine the version of Windows Live Mail (Desktop) I'm Using?

    Oreally
     
    OREALLY, Aug 13, 2012
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    ...winston Guest

    Apparently that card should be capable to run Windows Essentials Movie Maker 12
    It meets the Direct X 10 requirement.

    http://www.amd.com/us/products/desk...d-4200/pages/ati-radeon-hd-4200-overview.aspx


    And also apparently not on the blocked list of drivers.
    http://answers.microsoft.com/en-us/...nt-start/e510deeb-ec20-475c-b821-ddb34e751d23

    If it runs you should be fine, if not then you may need to update to the current available driver from ATI or your OEM pc
    manufacturer (if available)
    http://www.amd.com/us/products/desk...d-4200/pages/ati-radeon-hd-4200-overview.aspx



    --
    ....winston
    msft mvp mail


    "OREALLY" wrote in message
    Here's the info:

    "...winston" wrote in message
    Click on the Windows Orb, enter dxdiag.exe, double click dxdiag.exe to run,
    wait for it to finish loading and checking.

    Report back with:
    1. The Direct X version on the System tab......11
    and
    2. The DDI version on the Display tab......10.1
    and
    3. Your current driver version in use for the ATI Radeon (HD) 4200.....WDDM
    1.1

    Should provide enough info for us to determine if MM12 will run on your
    system.

    --






    ....winston
    msft mvp mail


    "OREALLY" wrote in message
    OK...I'm using Windows 7 Pro. How do I tell if the video card supports
    Direct X 10 and Pixel Shader 2.0? My card is an ATI Radeon (HD) 4200

    Thanks



    "...winston" wrote in message
    You're using Windows Live Mail 2011 QFE3 (the last build for 2011).
    It does not autoupdate via the program or Windows Microsoft Update to
    Windows Live Mail 2012

    Windows Live Mail 2012 (is download/install only) and a component of Windows
    Essentials 2012.
    - installing WE2012 will update all programs.
    - if Movie Maker 12 (MM12) is installed it requires the video card display
    driver to support Direct X 10.
    - Direct X 11 comes with Windows 7 though that does not mean your video card
    supports Direct X 11, it may max out at an earlier
    level (9.0C or 10.0). Even if it supports 10, the latest driver may be
    necessary to run MM12
    - one can not install Photo Gallery 12 without Movie Maker 12 (i.e. its
    possible to have a functional 2012 PG but a 'fail to start
    MM12).



    --
    ....winston
    msft mvp mail


    "OREALLY" wrote in message
    How Do I determine the version of Windows Live Mail (Desktop) I'm Using?

    Oreally
     
    ...winston, Aug 13, 2012
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    ...winston Guest

    "Bruce Hagen" wrote in message news:k08c43$pn2$...
    Supplemental info:
    Earlier I stated...
    "If Win8 - use WLE 2012 (though of late note...some Win7 systems that don't
    meet sys req for MM12 may actually work if upgraded to
    Win8)"

    One correction and some additional info"
    Correction:
    Should read -> If Win8 - use WE2012 (Windows Essentials 2012)

    Additional info:
    Why MM12 won't run on Win7 but will if W7 is upgraded to Win8:
    - Windows 8 Flip Presentation mode includes DXGI a different modeler than
    Win7's Direct3D 'Ex. modeler.
    http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/windows/desktop/hh706346(v=vs.85).aspx
    - thus some hardware that won't permit MM12 to open/run on Win7 will on
    Win8.

    Notes for WE12:
    1. ****It will remove Live Mesh****
    2. It will remove Messenger Companion
    3. Photo Gallery and Movie Maker are installed together (no option to
    install separately)
    4. Movie Maker 12 requires Direct X 10 (and in order to open may require
    the latest video card drivers from the card
    manufacturer or the OEM site) and in some graphics hardware scenarios only
    run on Windows 8 (even though DX10 is present on Win7)
     
    ...winston, Aug 16, 2012
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