Very disappointed with Vista's performance especially gaming!

Discussion in 'Windows Vista Performance' started by Joe Corey, Jul 30, 2007.

  1. Joe Corey

    Joe Corey Guest

    I must say after 3 months now I am very disappointed with Vista Ultimate x64
    when it comes to gaming and general performance. I have a core2 e6600, 4gb
    of DDR II 800MHZ, 2 raptor X 150GB 10,000rpm hard drives in a RAID-0 and the
    darn thing is still considerably slower at EVERYTHING than my XP pro which
    is installed onto a single Samsung spin-point 40gb drive! I fail to see how
    something that is supposedly better and more modern is so much slower. I
    doubled the ram from 2 to 4gb and it made no noticeable difference in load
    times or hd activity while gaming. THe background tasks are supposed to be
    low priority but the just happen to coincide with lag? Programs like MS
    Flight SIM X and BF2, BF 2142 take forever to load in comparison not to
    mention there are frequent lag spikes during game play. I just feel that for
    Gaming Vista is a huge step backwards. I hope that future updates/service
    packs do something for the performance because so far I am not seeing any
    reason to continue using Vista on a Gaming PC. All of my hardware is vista
    x64 compatible and I have latest drivers and BIOS. It's just Vista. It's
    slow!!!
     
    Joe Corey, Jul 30, 2007
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  2. Joe Corey

    GeekBoy Guest

    Are you running Vista x64 instead of 32 bit?
     
    GeekBoy, Jul 30, 2007
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  3. Joe Corey

    Joe Corey Guest

    Yes but I have supported drivers for all hardware.
     
    Joe Corey, Jul 30, 2007
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  4. Joe Corey

    GeekBoy Guest

    Well that's your problem.

    You need to be running a 32 bit OS on a 32 bit processor and a 64 bit OS on
    64 bit processor.

    And not running 32 bit software on a 64 bit OS.

    Slows everything down.

    I have graphic intensive Battle Field 2 and it runs fine on 32 bit Vista.
     
    GeekBoy, Jul 30, 2007
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  5. Joe Corey

    Joe Corey Guest

    You might have misunderstood me. I have a 64bit cpu and a 64bit OS. I have
    run both the 32 bit and 64 bit versions on this system. Don't see much of a
    performance difference at all. If anything 64 bit seems faster.
     
    Joe Corey, Jul 30, 2007
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    Lord Takyon Guest


    Having used 64 bit edition on a comparable system to my own, it did seem
    slightly faster. But running 32bit apps in a 64 bit OS always seems to have
    a performance drop.
     
    Lord Takyon, Jul 30, 2007
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  7. Joe Corey

    Gus Kline Guest

    I have Vista Business on an Asus A8N5X with an AMD 4800 X2 AMD x1800xt 2
    gigs ram with a 250 Gig HD. Have XP Pro on an Asus A8N5X with AMD 4600 X2
    Nvidia 7900GT 2 gigs ram and 120 gig HD. The XP machine feels quicker
     
    Gus Kline, Jul 31, 2007
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  8. Joe Corey

    Leythos Guest

    I have Vista Business on a ASUS PC-DL Deluxe motherboard, Dual 2.8ghz
    Xeon CPU (with Hyper threading enabled), Mirrored 200GB SATA drives, 4GB
    RAM, and a cheap 128MB AGP card and I can say that on the exact SAME
    computer, that XP and/or Server 2003 provides MUCH BETTER PERFORMANCE.

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    Leythos, Jul 31, 2007
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  9. Joe Corey

    GeekBoy Guest


    Yes that also.

    The same thing occured when Windows 95 came out and people running 16 bit
    apps on the 32 bit OS.

    He is going to either go back to 32 bit or by another computer with a 32 bit
    CPU.

    before Vista I had XP x64 and XP on the same computer dual booting.
    Had to when playing games. All the games were just too slow on 64 bit OS.
     
    GeekBoy, Jul 31, 2007
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  10. Joe Corey

    GeekBoy Guest

    Yes for 32 bit apps, but when trying to run 32 bit apps on a 64 bit OS it
    goes to crap because it has to emulate 32 bit.
     
    GeekBoy, Jul 31, 2007
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  11. Joe Corey

    Leythos Guest

    Yep, and the majority of systems are 32 bit as are the applications.

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    Leythos
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    Leythos, Jul 31, 2007
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  12. Joe Corey

    Joe Corey Guest

    Geekboy did you read my post? I said I tried both and the 64 bit was faster
    to load in general and in benchmarks than the 32bit vista so your 32 bit
    application on 64bit OS theory doesn't appear to be true.
     
    Joe Corey, Jul 31, 2007
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  13. Joe Corey

    GeekBoy Guest

    It's not a "theory", it's a fact

    If you are still having problems the you prob have a defective motherboard
    or some other part.

    I have had those bad notherboards where for some reason the board ran like
    crap and I exchanged out the board and it ran a heck of a lot faster.

    I have a cousin same problem with a bad MB on a laptop.
    Everything I did the thing just ran like crap....even just booting seemed to
    take forever.

    Exhanged it under warranty..problem solved.
     
    GeekBoy, Jul 31, 2007
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  14. Joe Corey

    Joe Corey Guest


    None of my parts are defective and I am not having any "problems" All of my
    benchmarks and games perform well just not nearly as fast as XP. I have XP
    still on another drive and if I boot from that it is fast as can be. Bottom
    line is VIsta at this point cannot compete with XP for performance. Just
    because that is true does not mean I have faulty hardware.
     
    Joe Corey, Jul 31, 2007
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  15. Joe Corey

    GeekBoy Guest

    If that is the case, then I think the problem lies in with your video.
    With PCIE it perform a lot better than with AGP.

    If I had $300 to spare, I would solve my slower Vista performance problem.
    I had bought a $75 nVidia 7300 back in March, but it only increased te Index
    Peformance by .7
    That sucks.

    What is is your perforance index rated at?
     
    GeekBoy, Jul 31, 2007
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  16. Joe Corey

    GeekBoy Guest

    With that index, there must be something else going on.

    Maybe you should run 3rd party peformance tests like the ones PC Magazine or
    Ziff Davis uses for their opinon on a cmputer.








    I don't have AGP I have an Nvidia 8800GTS, that is a PCI express card
     
    GeekBoy, Jul 31, 2007
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  17. False, in that the transition from 32-bit to 64-bit is nothing like
    the 16-bit to 32-bit.


    In the Win95 / NT 3.x era, new processors such as the Pentium Pro and
    (to a lesser extent) the Pentium II were heavily optimised for 32-bit
    code, whereas older processors were not. So there was a large YMMV
    element in 16-bit vs. 32-bit code performance.

    In that era, the move to 32-bit came after the processor hardware had
    been in place throughout the 386, 486 and Pentium generations. It
    took ages for OS and software to catch up, and the new 32-bit code
    world was vastly different in ways beyond addresing range - think
    pre-emptive multitasking, hypervisor control over application code,
    virtual memory paging, address relocation, etc.


    In this era of early 64-bit computing, we do have completely new
    64-bit processors, but they have remained niche products. What you
    currently refer to as "64-bit" processors are merely variations of
    32-bit processors with 64-bit addressability added on.

    So aside from the ability to address larger scopes, such as > 4G RAM,
    there really isn'yt much inherent value in moving to 64-bit computing.
    Much of what value there is, has been compatibility-shedding security
    enhancements such as PatchGuard, mandatory driver signing, etc.


    The downsides of 64-bit are a far smaller subset of compatible drivers
    and utilities. Other applications generally don't need to care
    whether they are on a 32-bit or "64-bit" platform, though 64-bit users
    would like them to make use of 64-bit addressability.

    In particular, consider your WinPE 2.0 maintenance OS:
    - WinPE 2.0 64-bit will not access 32-bit Vista, and vice versa
    - so you have to use 64-bit WinPE 2.0
    - 64-bit WinPE 2.0 will not run 64-bit programs
    - so you have to use 64-bit av, data recovery, diagnostic etc. tools

    It's hard enough to find maintenance tools that will work from WinPE,
    without them having to be 64-bit as well.


    In particular, the assertion that "he is going to either go back to 32
    bit or b(u)y another computer with a 32 bit CPU" is totally absurd.
    All current CPUs are likely to have 64-bit support, and that means all
    current (new) PCs are running Vista32 on "64-bit" CPUs.


    The most accurate diagnostic instrument
    in medicine is the Retrospectoscope
     
    cquirke (MVP Windows shell/user), Aug 2, 2007
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  18. Joe Corey

    Dana Cline Guest

    Couple of points to consider. First, the 8800 is an awesome board, but
    nVidia's drivers have been problems...do you keep up with the latest drivers
    of the week?

    Raid slows things down too - are you using hardware raid or software? Do you
    really need raid?

    Have you tweaked the system to enhance performance? Turn off the sidebar,
    disable the Windows Search service. Download Microsoft's "autoruns" utility
    to see what's in your startup, and get rid of a lot of it. What are you
    running for antivirus?

    Dana Cline - MCE MVP
     
    Dana Cline, Aug 2, 2007
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  19. Joe Corey

    Joe Corey Guest

    I am no longer running raid but it was hardware raid-0 or striped.

    I am always getting the latest drivers for the 8800.

    I have tweaked the system about as much as I can without losing
    functionality. Disabled indexing, sidebar, system restore. Not much help.

    My performance is not by any means poor, the only thing that was
    disappointing to me (very disappointing I might add) is the fact that my XP
    partition loads so much faster, is so much more responsive. I can click
    multiple things without waiting and the hard drive isnt running all the
    time. With 10krpm Raptors this is very annoying to listen to all the time

    I don't think that a newer more modern system should be that much slower.
    With that being said I think my rating is not bad at all (5.2) and I have
    seen numerous other systems with ratings of 2 or 3. It's all relative to XP.
    Maybe I'm just asking to much for it to be as fast...
     
    Joe Corey, Aug 3, 2007
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    Charlie Tame Guest

    Have you checked each drive properties to see if index box is checked?
    Made one hell of a difference on 2 machines here. Uncheck it.

    In general I find the same things as you and have removable drives so
    hardware is identical so I would compare as follows.

    Vista 32 is slower than XP on 32 bit machine.

    Vista 32 on 64 bit machine is somewhat slower than XP 32 on 64 bit machine.

    Vista 64 is slower still than XP 32 on 64 bit machine.

    XP 64 is a waste of space on any machine, no drivers etc.

    Unless you have some software that requires 64 bit OS stick with 32. Of
    course your experience might differ so it's probably cheaper to try both
     
    Charlie Tame, Aug 3, 2007
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