View Full Map for Network Map

Discussion in 'Windows Vista Networking' started by scottpen, Feb 27, 2007.

  1. scottpen

    scottpen Guest

    I believe I have tried everything to get Network mapping to work (which I
    can't) When I press View full map all I get is Windows cannot create the
    network map. Everthing is enabled as far as I know. Network discovery is on.
    Link layer driver is enabled in Group Policy, and Link-Layer Topology
    Discovery Mapper is started. Is their anything I am missing? Thank you in
    advance for your quick reply
     
    scottpen, Feb 27, 2007
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    DC187 Guest

    I have the same problem, I just assumed it's because my machine connect
    through ISA Server 2006
     
    DC187, Feb 27, 2007
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  3. scottpen

    scottpen Guest

    I have just a simple Home network Cable modem, router two wireless computers
    and two wired computers. It is baffling me.
     
    scottpen, Feb 27, 2007
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  4. scottpen

    Buellpilot Guest

    What OS are the other computers running?

    If they are XP have you installed Link-Layer Topology on them?
     
    Buellpilot, Feb 27, 2007
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  5. scottpen

    DC187 Guest

    Ahh will give this a go, my other machines are XP and 2003, will setup
    Link Layer Topology on them later and see what happens :)
     
    DC187, Feb 27, 2007
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  6. scottpen

    scottpen Guest

    I have two Vistas one premium, one ultimate and 2 Xp's. I did install the
    Link-Layer on the 2 XP's and it did not change anything still can't view full
    map. Also the premium can't view full map either. Is there a firewall issue?
    the only firewall I am running is windows firewall besides my routers
    firewall. Windows firewall has an exception for network discovery checked.
    Thanks for your help.
     
    scottpen, Feb 27, 2007
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    DC187 Guest

    Hmm, don't think it could be as I have disabled the Windows firewall an
    ISA Server allows full internal LAN access..
     
    DC187, Feb 27, 2007
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    Sen [MSFT] Guest

    Scott/DC187,
    1. Can you please provide the complete error message?
    2. Please check help for network map and see if it helps. (Help button on
    top-right corner of network map window)

    Windows or 3rd party firewalls do not affect Link-layer Topology Discovery
    (LLTD) protocol (one of the protocols used by Network Map).

    Thanks,
    Sen.

     
    Sen [MSFT], Feb 27, 2007
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  9. scottpen

    scottpen Guest

    Windows can not create the map. Responses from other devices on the network
    are delayed or there is an incompatible router on the network.
     
    scottpen, Feb 27, 2007
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  10. scottpen

    Sen [MSFT] Guest

    1. Can you please provide information about your wireless router? (brand,
    model, firmware version).
    2. I suppose your wired computers are directly connected to this router
    while wireless computers connect wirelessly to this router. Do you have any
    other hardware (like bridges, switches, hubs)?

    Thanks,
    Sen.
     
    Sen [MSFT], Feb 27, 2007
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  11. scottpen

    scottpen Guest

    1. My router is a Dlink Dir-655 w/firmware 1.02
    2. Wired is connected directly wireless connects wirelessly and I have a
    linksys 5 port switch which goes to printers on the network.
     
    scottpen, Feb 27, 2007
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    Sen [MSFT] Guest

    1. Offhand, can you please unplug the linksys switch from router (i.e.
    disconnect printers and switch from the home network) and see if it helps?
    Obviously, this is only a stop-gap measure to narrow down issues.
    2. Also, are you attempting open network map from a machine that is
    connected over wire or wirelessly?

    Thanks,
    Sen.
     
    Sen [MSFT], Feb 27, 2007
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  13. scottpen

    scottpen Guest

    1. I unhooked and unplugged switch from still router still same issue.
    2. Viewing from wired Vista ultimate computer.
     
    scottpen, Feb 27, 2007
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  14. Hi Scott,

    I would like to work with you to diagnose and identify the problem. There
    are a couple of things we could try.

    - With the switch and the printers connected to it unplugged, can you also
    disconnect the XP machines and see if the map opens up on the Vista machines?
    This would help us know if the LLTD responders on the XP are causing the
    issue.

    - Since we already eliminated the switch as the source of the problem, we
    can try removing the Router. The model of the Router with the firmware
    version you mentioned, should be compatible with Vista. But yet, would you
    try connecting all the 4 machines (of course if the wireless machines have a
    wired adapter) to the switch, give them all static IP addresses say
    169.254.1.x and see if the map opens on the Vista Ultimate/Premium machine?
    This would help us know if the router is causing the problem.

    - As a last resort, we need to enable some tracing and get the logs. For
    this we need to run the following and get the *.etl files. Would you please
    share with me your email id so I can send you these files?

    In your original setup (with the switch and the router) copy the 3 files
    attached to a folder in the Vista machine. From that folder from command
    prompt run the following commands one by one
    lltdtrace.cmd start lltd
    maptrace.cmd start map

    Now open the map on the same machine. Wait for a few seconds (say 20) and
    close the map.
    Again from command prompt run the following commands from the same folder
    lltdtrace.cmd stop lltd
    maptrace.cmd stop map
    In the same folder you will find 4 *.etl files.
    Please send me these files, we can work offline to share the files to
    diagnose the problem

    As per Microsoft policy I need to let you know that the sharing of these
    logs (*.etl) may include some PII (Personal Identifican Information); but
    this information will only be used to diagnose and resolve the problem.

    Thanks!
    Sri
     
    Sripresanna [MSFT], Feb 28, 2007
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  15. scottpen

    scottpen Guest

    Sorry took so long for reply.

    I unhooked both xp from network and checked still no go. I failed to mention
    that I also have VOIP Routers in the mix which I use basically as switches
    nothing hooked to them. just going from wan side to dlink router on the wired
    switch side. Anyway I unhooked them and voila it worked. I checked linksys to
    see if they have updated firmware, but the firmware is only updated through
    my VOIP provider. I checked with them and they are in the works on getting
    them vista compliant (lets hope). I want to thank every one for their help,
    it looks like I am going to have to wait until the new firmware comes out for
    the mapping to work right. Thanks again and I will return if I have any other
    problems I can't resolve.
     
    scottpen, Feb 28, 2007
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  16. This is good news Scott.

    Thanks for keeping us posted!
    Sri
     
    Sripresanna [MSFT], Feb 28, 2007
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    wittman Guest

    I have a similar issue with vista. I have 5 pcs on a hard network and a new
    laptop with vista accessing a wireless hub. I can get to the internet fine,
    but it doesn't SEE the other PCs on the network. The only way my laptop can
    see the pcs on the network and visa versa is I have to plug a network cable
    into the laptop.
     
    wittman, Mar 1, 2007
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    Sen [MSFT] Guest

    wittman,
    1. Can you please confirm that you don't see your XP PCs in Network Map
    unless Vista is connected through ethernet cable?
    2. What is the error message displayed in Network Map when Vista is
    connected wirelessly?

    Thanks,
    Sen.
     
    Sen [MSFT], Mar 1, 2007
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    phoward131 Guest

     
    phoward131, May 25, 2007
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  20. scottpen

    phoward131 Guest

    I'm having a very similar problem. I believe I have everything set up right.
    I have network discovery on and I'm on a private network but when I click
    view full map it gives me the message "Windows cannot create a network map
    for the selected type of network connection." Any ideas?
     
    phoward131, May 25, 2007
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