Vista Defrag versus Diskeeper

Discussion in 'Windows Vista General Discussion' started by Ken, Mar 5, 2008.

  1. Ken

    Ken Guest

    I have been a Diskeeper fan for years. However, I just had to reinstall
    Vista Ultimate and am having a minor problem getting Diskeeper to register
    2007 Professional for the second time on the "same" machine but in a
    different partition. When I started to look at what was in Vista I stumbled
    into the built in Defrag program. Any recommendations/opinions - should I
    just shelve Diskeeper 2007 and use the Vista version? What about the 2008
    versions of Diskeeper - any reasons to buy yet another version?
     
    Ken, Mar 5, 2008
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  2. disk keeper is about a trillion times superior than the stupid, dumbed down,
    mysterious, non user friendly, hidden, uneffective, degraded, downgraded
    version of the defragmenter thats built into Vista.

    Get diskeeper 2008 if you can since the whole program has been revamped, its
    a fantastic product...

    there are also 2 free degragmenters that you might want to use in combo with
    the vista one that runs a s service, if you want to skip buying the
    diskkeeper upgrade *unless you are entitled to a free upgrade or a discount*

    here are the free ones (the first one works quite well)

    http://www.auslogics.com/disk-defrag

    http://www.defraggler.com/
     
    On the Bridge!, Mar 5, 2008
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  3. Ken

    Ken Guest

    Thanks for the Diskeeper reinforcement. I'll break down and upgrade one
    more time.
     
    Ken, Mar 5, 2008
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  4. take a look at those free ones too ...

    Vistas one is good as a service but as you noticed it has no feedback
    (VISUAL)
    in combo with those free ones perhaps you may manage ..

    but diskeeper as you must know since you are an old user has smart placment
    and other
    tricks up it sleave that vistas built in one and these free ones dont have

    Im posting this info because others might be reading this thread and want to
    try alternative
    free programs...

    :)
     
    On the Bridge!, Mar 5, 2008
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  5. Ken

    Peter M Guest

    It's a pity the dumbed down mysterious built in defrag of Vista is
    Diskeeper, just like it was with XP. With Vista having a minor upgraded NTFS
    the built in one is just fine, there's no need for display except for the
    anal that must have proof something is working.
     
    Peter M, Mar 6, 2008
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  6. you are incorrect, this all depends on how you use the computer

    for old grannies that don't download or shift around lots of files in their
    computer or leave it on all night doing nothing so it can idle and start
    defragging, contributing to global warming, the stupid one of vista is ok.
    For those who don't mind their hard disk to thrash with no visual feedback
    to why this is happening, its ok. Those same people
    might not care if its malware erasing their files that's thrashing their
    disk. For those who don't care if the defrag with take 1 hour
    or 100 hours its ok....

    dumbed down, it stinks big time

    For us power users.. its .. less good than XP's built in one.
     
    On the Bridge!, Mar 6, 2008
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    PaulGo Guest

    Please be careful with the latest version of Diskeeper 2008. I have
    Vista 64 Home Premium with SP1 and the boot time defragmentation totally
    trashed my Windows Vista installation. I had to reinstall Vista and all
    my applications. I am now using Perfectdisk 2008 with boot time
    defragmentation with no problems.
     
    PaulGo, Mar 6, 2008
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  8. Ken

    PMcGarr Guest

    I have been running Vista since beta2 and I have no complaints about the
    built in defrag. I haven't even run it manually because it does it
    automatically every week at 1:00am by default. I think it's great that
    it runs on a schedule because when it does run, the drive is not in bad
    shape.

    If you wait until your drive is a mess, it's bound to take a long time.
    If you need to see the defrag process, then I guess you want a
    different program. I can't see the point in sitting there watching your
    drives defragment, but if that's what you like...

    Paul


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    PMcGarr, Mar 6, 2008
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    PNutts Guest

    PNutts, Mar 7, 2008
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    dpic Guest

    My system was hosed. I was able to do a repair install, and that worked
    so I could use the partition again. I then was able to install a disk
    image with Acronis to get the system back up and running. Other than
    that it works fine, though.
     
    dpic, Mar 7, 2008
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    EPJ Guest

    I've been a PerfectDisk user for several years on my XP machines, and
    like the program. However, I recently installed PerfectDisk 2008 on m
    Vista machine and began to notice file corruption errors. I firs
    noticed this when I tried to do a boot time defrag and Vista wouldn'
    let me because it found file errors. I uninstalled PerfectDisk 2008 an
    began using Auslogics' defragger. I haven't had file corruption error
    since. I have no direct evidence that PerfectDisk was the culprit, bu
    it seems like a strong inference
     
    EPJ, Mar 9, 2008
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  12. Also be aware that any program that modifies the hard drive before Windows
    loads (like any type of boot time defragmentation) will totally wipe out all
    restore points and shadow copies on the drive.

    Found this out the hard way with Diskeeper.

    Mic
     
    Michael Palumbo, Mar 10, 2008
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    Stan Kay Guest

    Many thanks for the prompt response.

    When I attempt to load an Acronis True Image Home 11 image I get the
    following message:-

    "Partition Error

    The selected partition contains the following error: Run list corrupted.
    Please note that you cannot change the file system and size of this
    partition. It is recommended that you check these partitions after
    restoration with your operating system disk tools."

    I then ran a utility provided by Acronis which told me "File system error:
    22 (Block bitmap corrupted)"

    I hope that this information is helpful.
     
    Stan Kay, Mar 10, 2008
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  14. Ken

    Stan Kay Guest

    Please accept my apologies for posting my response in the wrong place.
     
    Stan Kay, Mar 10, 2008
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    cypherx13 Guest

    cypherx13, Mar 19, 2008
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    jannerhank Guest

    Try this for side!

    In Vista 32-bit defrag works OK; BUT in Vista 64-bit my 232GB 'C' drive with
    only 60GB on it after a defrag has grown to 162GB of used space. The first
    time I had
    Vista 32 in C drive and Vista 64 on D drive. So I removed C drive and just
    had the new C drive and it has happened again.

    Yes I have started with a clean disk all over again and it still happens. It
    also does it with Auslogics Disk Defrag as well.

    This is doing my head in.
     
    jannerhank, Mar 20, 2008
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    Mr Smiley Guest

    For my money I would not use anything other than Diskeeper 2008 Pr
    Premier edition which is functioning beautifully on my system wit
    absolute no Boot Defrag problems whatsoever or Raxco Software'
    PerfectDisk 2008 Professional Edition

    You know what they say, more often than not you DO get what you pa
    for!!

    Best regard

    Nei

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    Mr Smiley, Mar 20, 2008
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    jannerhank Guest

    I found the answer. In Disk Cleanup under 'hibernation' whatever that is? I
    found 9GB of files, then did a duplicate file check and for another 4GB.

    Vista seems a bit top heavy with to many things going on without the users
    knowlage or permission. The Help Files don't even cover this as does not and
    book or article I have read on Vista.



    jannerhank
     
    jannerhank, Mar 22, 2008
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    Kris Guest

    Yes, disk cleanup is definitely a keeper - I put a shortcut to my desktop
    and will run it occasionally, I used to use this option via the Langa
    batch files in XP. This is easier.
     
    Kris, Mar 22, 2008
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