Vista does not crash gracefully, it falls flat on its face. this will make another funny Apple TV co

Discussion in 'Windows Vista General Discussion' started by Adam Albright, Feb 19, 2007.

  1. Programs that stop working are a fact of life. Ever since XP came out
    applications are suppose to run in their own "protected" memory space
    so if they crash, they don't take down the whole system with them.
    Operative word, that's how it USED TO BE.

    I'm in the process of testing a upgraded version of Cyberlink's Power
    Producer, a utility to do some simple DVD burning and other similar
    tasks. It has been working for several days without problem. Now I
    just clicked on its shortcut and it hung up. That isn't why I'm

    Rather the issue is how you CAN'T gracefully recover from a crashing
    application like you did in XP. At least I couldn't, at least not this
    time, since it is the first "crash" since installing Vista, I'm not
    sure if this is normal or not. Geez, I hope not!

    If any of your software crashed in XP, you could do the old three
    finger salute, holding down the Ctrl, Alt, and Delete keys at one
    time, which would bring up Windows Task Manager. This allowed you to
    stop a application that no longer was responding to Windows. That
    feature is changed in Vista. The new sequence is Ctrl, Shift, Esc.
    You would think Microsoft would tell people that made a needless in
    picking which keys saves Microsoft's ass, but nope.

    I try the new key combination. Nothing happens. Windows is locked up
    good. Rats!

    With Power Producer crashing, Windows too is locked up. Not suppose to
    happen. No graceful way to shut down my other RUNNING applications. So
    I just sit waiting to see what if anything would happen.

    Couple minutes go by, oh look.... Windows did manage to show the Power
    Producer window in a new washed out view. Cute, but not helpful. Vista
    seems more about being "pretty", then useful.

    Still everything locked up. Another minute goes by, oh look, Windows
    now has faded out my entire desktop, maybe that's a new visual clue
    that Windows has given up the ghost and wants to do to a hard
    shutdown. I still can't shut down Power Producer the normal way or the
    brute force way from Task Manger. Nor can I access or close any of the
    other six applications that are running.

    That creates a problem. I'm in the process of rendering a large video
    file, A big project, hours away from finishing, obviously pointless to
    not reboot since everything seems locked up. Even the clock stopped. I
    sure sign Windows died.

    However if I do a forced shutdown by pusing and holding the power
    switch on my PC I run the risk of corrupting the source file that my
    video project is based on plus who knows what harm it could do to any
    other open files, including Windows System files.

    Oh well, what choice do I have. So I do a forced shutdown, then reboot
    and immediately go to the Event Viewer to see if Windows can say what

    It says this:

    "Faulting application Producer.exe, version, time stamp
    0x453e08a0, faulting module MFC71U.DLL, version 7.10.3077.0, time
    stamp 0x3e77fc29, exception code 0xc0000005, fault offset 0x0005c598,
    process id 0x110, application start time 0x01c754731e0dba67."

    Vista does not crash gracefully, it falls flat on its face. I can live
    with a application crashing. By the way its "Vista Ready" or so it

    I thought the days of Windows crashing due to a hung application were
    pre XP vents. I guess Microsoft brought the good old days back.
    Adam Albright, Feb 19, 2007
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    Ed Stoddard Guest


    Well, Adam, Ctrl, Alt, Delete works for me in Vista Ultimate, taking me to a
    small list of things I can do, and the Task Manager is a choice in that list.
    Ed Stoddard, Feb 20, 2007
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  3. I don't have Ultimate, I have the business version. I remember reading
    they changed it. Good thing since the system was locked up. Now that
    my system isn't locked up anymore I see both work but differently.

    In the business version as I said, Ctrl-Shift-Esc takes you directly
    to Task Manager like it did in XP and I just checked that is the
    prescribed method according to Vista's built-in help sytem if you type
    in Task Manager in Vista Help, then click on #3, which is What is Task

    Now trying the old Ctrl-Alt-Del now thhat my system is working it
    takes you make a menu page that offers, lock, switch user, log off,
    change password and lastly Task Manager.

    Just for fun see if Ctrl-Shift-Esc works in Ultimate.
    Adam Albright, Feb 20, 2007
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    Scott Guest

    Which is not the same as an app carrying the "Certified for Windows
    Vista" logo, which BTW, their PowerDVD 7 software is (Unlike Power

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    Brian W Guest

    PowerProducer v.4 is installed on my system and running perfectly.
    Brian W, Feb 20, 2007
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    DevilsPGD Guest

    In message <> Adam Albright
    Here is your problem -- Windows wasn't totally frozen, but rather, an
    app did something naughty. This typically indicates a hardware fault,
    I've seen the same while running two DVD burners at the same time, or
    with bad RAM. (XP, for the record)

    It could also be as simple as an app setting itself to "Real-time"
    (which effectively bypasses the preemptive task switcher) and then
    locking up.

    Badly written apps that interface with hardware or run as an
    administrator will always be able to crash or otherwise damage a running
    system, that's basically a fact of life.
    NTFS? In that case, nothing goes wrong unless you changed the drive
    performance to cache more dangerously. NTFS is journaled, which means
    that at most you'll lose the files that were written to the cache but
    not flushed, but the filesystem itself will be maintained (essentially,
    rather then rewriting critical parts of the filesystem, NTFS writes the
    critical bits to a new place on the drive, then updates a pointer to
    that new place, then updates a SECOND pointer to the new data -- At no
    time are any of the disk structures at any risk)
    DevilsPGD, Feb 20, 2007
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    DevilsPGD Guest

    In message <> Adam Albright
    This is the same as all versions of windows from NT 3.5.1 (or earlier)
    and up -- The only real change is that in XP, Ctrl-Alt-Del wouldn't
    bring up the menu, it would only bring up the Task Manager if Windows
    only has a single active user without a password.

    Domain users always got the menu, as (I believe) did all systems that
    require a login.
    It does... This shortcut has been there since 2000 (or earlier, I don't
    have an NT4 box to play with right now)
    DevilsPGD, Feb 20, 2007
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    ray Guest

    You might try Linux. I've run Linux on about a dozen computers for over
    five years. During that time, I have NEVER seen a Linux computer crash,
    short of a hardware problem.
    ray, Feb 20, 2007
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