Vista - driving me mad

Discussion in 'Windows Vista Networking' started by AT and HMB, Jan 9, 2008.

  1. AT and HMB

    AT and HMB Guest

    New to Vista.
    Thanks to help from Mick I have successfully networked this new computer
    (Vista) with my XP computers.
    Specifically, I have shared 2 partitions and 1 folder on the Vista computer
    giving unrestricted access.
    These appear on the XP Pro computer I'm using at this moment.
    However, every attempt to open these shares fails. The undernoted is message
    from attempt to open the only folder within partition D:

    "\\G33\Program Files is not accessible. You might not have permission to use
    this network resource. Contact the administrator of this server to find out
    if you have access permissions.
    Access is denied

    OK"

    PS I have just shared the DVD drive on the Vista computer and the XP
    computer can open without trouble.

    I confirm the Vista partitions and folder are open to "everyone".

    Hlep
     
    AT and HMB, Jan 9, 2008
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  2. Have you also assigned permission under security tab? Or this search result
    may help. Please post back with the result.

    Vista Permission IssuesCan I assume the external drive used to be connecting
    to other computer and you just re-connect it the the Vista? Check the
    permission using this command: . ...
    www.chicagotech.net/vista/vistapermission.htm


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    Networking, Internet, Routing, VPN Troubleshooting on
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    How to Setup Windows, Network, VPN & Remote Access on
    http://www.HowToNetworking.com
     
    Robert L. \(MS-MVP\), Jan 9, 2008
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  3. AT and HMB

    Chuck [MVP] Guest

    What authentication is the Vista computer using? Password Protected Sharing On
    or Off? Guest, or non-Guest, access?
    <http://nitecruzr.blogspot.com/2005/06/file-sharing-under-windows-xp.html#Simple>
    http://nitecruzr.blogspot.com/2005/06/file-sharing-under-windows-xp.html#Simple

    With Guest access, "Program Files", which is considered part of the operating
    system, won't be available through the network.
    <http://nitecruzr.blogspot.com/2005/06/file-sharing-under-windows-xp.html#Guest>
    http://nitecruzr.blogspot.com/2005/06/file-sharing-under-windows-xp.html#Guest

    --
    Cheers,
    Chuck, MS-MVP 2005-2007 [Windows - Networking]
    http://nitecruzr.blogspot.com/
    Paranoia is not a problem, when it's a normal response from experience.
    My email is AT DOT
    actual address pchuck mvps org.
     
    Chuck [MVP], Jan 9, 2008
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  4. AT and HMB

    AT and HMB Guest

    Password protection is off.
    I am aware of that. However the program files involved were on my D
    partition at that time. I always (every computer) create a D drive for all
    the programs that I add to the system (as opposed to what Microsoft do). I
    call that drive/partition "Programs" and within that I have a folder named
    "program files". I know that duplicated what is on the C partition, but I
    always include the drive letter in the share name which maintains
    uniqueness. I have never had a problem. An advantage, when adding new
    software is that often the default requires only the drive letter to be
    changed from C to D.
    Having spent about 3 hours aquainting myself with Vista and trying to sort
    the mess I have now lost the network.
    Let me say I have networked through wfwg, 3.1, W95, W98 and XP and this is
    easily the worst. How could Microsoft have messed this up so thoroughly.
    Can someone please tell me step by step how to create the network again.
    On all the info I can see the common workgroup is still OK. The Network and
    Sharing Center shows Network Discovery and File Sharing ON, and all others
    OFF.
    I could do NOTHING with the Security tab - absolutely no options.
    Microsoft firewall is OFF. I now have Zone Alarm installed, but have
    included the IP addresses of my other computers in the "trusted" section so
    that should be OK.
    Fortunately, I have not activated this yet and feel about ready to give up,
    unless I get step-by-step HELP.
    Many thanks for your (or anyone else's) patience.

    With Guest access, "Program Files", which is considered part of the
    operating
     
    AT and HMB, Jan 9, 2008
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  5. AT and HMB

    Chuck [MVP] Guest

    With your persistence, and our patience, we might learn something. That's why
    these forums are here.

    I use "D:\Program Files" too, but some fscking software insists on installing in
    "C:\Program Files".

    Zone Alarm isn't the most recommended product for protecting yourself while you
    try to sort out a problem either. It's been known to cause complications.

    What do you get if you turn Password Protected Sharing On?

    --
    Cheers,
    Chuck, MS-MVP 2005-2007 [Windows - Networking]
    http://nitecruzr.blogspot.com/
    Paranoia is not a problem, when it's a normal response from experience.
    My email is AT DOT
    actual address pchuck mvps org.
     
    Chuck [MVP], Jan 10, 2008
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  6. AT and HMB

    AT and HMB Guest

    Background: This XP PRO computer I am using is about 2 yards from my new
    Vista computer which is giving me all the trouble.
    The LAN came back up OK to day when I booted up both computers - all the
    mucking about I did on the Vista computer must have caused the upset.
    Position the same: Vista can access & open the XP files. XP can see the list
    of shared files on the Vista but gets the message when trying to access.
    First attempt at Password = ON brought request at XP computer for Password -
    I don't use passwords and don't want to. I couldn't get passed this screen -
    when I entered the User name and left password blank it just kept looping.
    Back to Vista comp. to turn password back OFF and noticed this comp was not
    even seeing the XP, so rebooted and contact was established again.
    Vista password turned ON.
    XP comp same fail with no request for password - I just don't understand
    this.
    Vista password turned back OFF and back to status quo.
    I find this weird - immediately I installed the Vista operating system I was
    on the Internet without a single problem and yet the LAN part is giving this
    problem and waste of time.
    Looking at this Newsgroup it is apparent that many people are having
    problems - how can MS muck this thing up so badly when XP was/is so good.
    Incidentally (and as you would expect as the 2 computers can see each other)
    each comp. can ping the other.
     
    AT and HMB, Jan 10, 2008
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  7. AT and HMB

    AT and HMB Guest

    Another thought.
    I am quite happy to do another install. Would that be a good idea?
     
    AT and HMB, Jan 10, 2008
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  8. AT and HMB

    Chuck [MVP] Guest

    Here's where you need to start:
    By default, if you're going to use Advanced File Sharing (SFS Off or PPS On),
    you have to use a non-blank password, identical on all computers. You can use
    the Local Security Policy Editor if you wish, and turn this off.
    <http://nitecruzr.blogspot.com/2005/06/file-sharing-under-windows-xp.html#Synchronise>
    http://nitecruzr.blogspot.com/2005/06/file-sharing-under-windows-xp.html#Synchronise

    And yes, there is a noticeable percentage of the problems, being reported here,
    of folks having problems with their passwords on their computers. What does
    that tell you? It simply tells ME that right now, of the folks having problems
    with Vista, that's the predominantly REPORTED problem. It does NOT tell me that
    Vista is a muck up, as there are waaaay more people NOT having those problems,
    who simply aren't reporting problems here, they are using their computers.
    <http://bloggerstatusforreal.blogspot.com/2007/04/etiology-blogger-and-you.html>
    http://bloggerstatusforreal.blogspot.com/2007/04/etiology-blogger-and-you.html

    --
    Cheers,
    Chuck, MS-MVP 2005-2007 [Windows - Networking]
    http://nitecruzr.blogspot.com/
    Paranoia is not a problem, when it's a normal response from experience.
    My email is AT DOT
    actual address pchuck mvps org.
     
    Chuck [MVP], Jan 10, 2008
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  9. AT and HMB

    AT and HMB Guest

    Chuck - thanks for your help and I still say the Vista permissions thing is
    a mess.
    I have now resolved thanks to trial and error.
    Knowing that you will continue to support others I have noted the cure:
    First of all to get a clean situation I created another partition (F).
    I went through the usual "sharing" routine and gave full access to
    "Everyone" which was there as default.
    I was sure this wouldn't work and it didn't - access still refused.
    Back again into Properties for F and opened Security tab.
    First thing that hit me was that Everyone was not in the "Group or Users
    Names". I think this is awful as everyone is the default in the Sharing tab.
    The Group showed:
    Authenticated Users (whoever these may be) - all access EXCEPT Full Control.
    I changed to five Full Control.
    System
    Administrators (G33\Administrators)
    Users
    The 3 above had all the access permissions.
    I deduced that I should add "Everyone" to the list, but before doing so I
    tried to access again, given that I had given Full Control to Authenticated
    Users (what are these?)
    Access still refused, so time to add Everyone.

    Volume/Properties/Edit/Add/Advanced/Find Now/clicked Everyone/OK/ and
    allowed Full Control.
    Perfect.

    I hope this might help you to help others.
    What I find disturbing is that the default of "Everyone" in the Sharing tab
    does not automatically appear in the Security tab and with full control if
    that has been given when "Sharing".
    Again, thanks for your kind attention.

     
    AT and HMB, Jan 11, 2008
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  10. AT and HMB

    Chuck [MVP] Guest

    Authenticated Users includes everybody with authenticated access to a network
    resource. Everyone is, well, everyone, including Guests. If the Guest account
    isn't active, "Authenticated Users" == "Everyone". With PPS disabled,
    "Authenticated Users" == "Guest authentication".

    Here are a couple relevant Microsoft articles about authentication in Vista.
    The reference to "roaming profiles" is more relevant to domains, where you can
    have one profile replicated across multiple clients, but I suspect that you'll
    find some idea there about the difference between "Authenticated Users" and
    "Everyone".
    <http://www.microsoft.com/technet/technetmag/issues/2007/06/ACL/>
    http://www.microsoft.com/technet/technetmag/issues/2007/06/ACL/
    <http://technet2.microsoft.com/Windo...da39-4944-93ad-dd3b6e8ca4dc1033.mspx?mfr=true>
    http://technet2.microsoft.com/Windo...da39-4944-93ad-dd3b6e8ca4dc1033.mspx?mfr=true

    There are a lot of terminology choices that Microsoft makes that give me a
    headache. This is merely one. Thanks for the update.

    --
    Cheers,
    Chuck, MS-MVP 2005-2007 [Windows - Networking]
    http://nitecruzr.blogspot.com/
    Paranoia is not a problem, when it's a normal response from experience.
    My email is AT DOT
    actual address pchuck mvps org.
     
    Chuck [MVP], Jan 11, 2008
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  11. AT and HMB

    ak-wiser Guest

     
    ak-wiser, Jan 31, 2008
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  12. AT and HMB

    ak-wiser Guest

    I have vista ultimate x86 and i am trying to use a file sharing program
    called irc or mirc when i am at packetnews.com i click on the pack number
    mirc should open but it doesn't.Instead i get an error message like
    "microsoft internet explorer can not find the adress specified"blah blah blah
    when realy when i click on a packet number mirc should open and the channels
    should be opened so i can press ctl v to paste and then to recieve the file i
    wanted to download. If anyone can please shed some light on this problem.
     
    ak-wiser, Jan 31, 2008
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  13. AT and HMB

    ak-wiser Guest

    no need for help anymore i have figured it out all i had to do was disable
    "enable protected mode" for internet in internet options/security
     
    ak-wiser, Jan 31, 2008
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  14. AT and HMB

    ak-wiser Guest

    :no need for help all i had to do was disable "enable
    protected mode" for internet in internet options/security
     
    ak-wiser, Jan 31, 2008
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