Vista Firewall

Discussion in 'Windows Vista Security' started by AliceZ, Aug 21, 2008.

  1. AliceZ

    AliceZ Guest

    We have just received a new notebook with Vista Premium sp1 installed. Is the
    Windows Firewall sufficient to protect incoming/outgoing information?
    Some people have told us Yes; others have said No.

    We are senior citizens and very unfamiliar with computers and firewalls, etc.
    If the Windows Firewall is not sufficient, is there a FREE firewall that
    someone could suggest to use as a substitute firewall? One that would be easy
    to install and configure, as we don't know anything about firewalls, etc.
    Thanks for any assistance.
    Alice

    We are using Verizon DSL that is connected to our desktop which has WinXP.
    We are using modem/router and the notebook is connected wirelessly (I believe
    that is what it is called) to it.
     
    AliceZ, Aug 21, 2008
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  2. AliceZ

    Mick Murphy Guest

    Windows Firewall is what you need for your computers.

    If you were to get a 3rd party Firewall, you would be asked whether to
    "allow, disallow, this time only, all the time, etc", for any internet
    actions that your Programs initiate..

    As you have said, you want something that is easy to use, and works!
    Windows Firewall "knows" the answers.
     
    Mick Murphy, Aug 21, 2008
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  3. AliceZ

    oscar Guest

    Windows firewall is sufficient for the average user. The main (but not only)
    cause of malware being able to by-pass the firewall is the user. To minimize
    malware do not download anything on the internet that is free such as free
    wallpaper, free music, free greeting cards, free calendars, free games, free
    anything. Yes, there are some free shareware programs that are safe to
    download, but only users who have an above average knowledge and experience
    with computers should ever consider downloading such software. And never ever
    open any email or email attachments in which you, the user, do not know from
    where it came. Never.

    Other than that, safe surfing and enjoy your computer.

    -
    oscar :)

    ....Right click is your very good friend...
     
    oscar, Aug 21, 2008
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  4. AliceZ

    Mr. Arnold Guest

    Just use the Vista FW and use safe computing, as prevention goes a long
    way.

    http://www.claymania.com/safe-hex.html

    I would suggest not using MS products for email and Internet, like
    Windows mail or IE. Neither one of them are bad, but you should find
    alternatives like Firefox and Thunderbird -- both are free.
     
    Mr. Arnold, Aug 22, 2008
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  5. The correct ansswer would be "Yes."


    Vista's built-in firewall is perfectly adequate for most people.
    While it's not quite up to the ease-of-use standards of Kerio or
    ZoneAlarm, it has been noticeably improved over WinXP's version.

    There are two interfaces for Vistas built-in firewall:

    1) A simplified one accessed through the Control Panel that is the only
    one most people see. To further supplement this view, Sphinx's Vista
    Firewall Control http://sphinx-soft.com/Vista/) is a piece of freeware
    that makes the Vista Firewall much more easily manageable to the average
    user.

    2) And the more advanced "Windows Firewall with Advanced Security
    (WF.msc), accessed via the Start Menu's Administrative Tools folder, for
    the experienced user who wants more granular control.


    --

    Bruce Chambers

    Help us help you:
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    http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx/kb/555375

    They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary
    safety deserve neither liberty nor safety. ~Benjamin Franklin

    Many people would rather die than think; in fact, most do. ~Bertrand Russell

    The philosopher has never killed any priests, whereas the priest has
    killed a great many philosophers.
    ~ Denis Diderot
     
    Bruce Chambers, Aug 22, 2008
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  6. AliceZ

    Flight Guest

    This is completely crap! It is proven that both are NOT safer, and Firefox
    does not handle correctly severa websites! So let those people decide for
    themselves, please!
     
    Flight, Aug 22, 2008
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  7. AliceZ

    Flight Guest

    ZoneAlarm can produce irritant errors, as Windows Firewall does not. It is
    much better to let people start with Windows firewall and much, much later,
    when they know about the basics, they CAN decide to start using something
    else. But third party software always has a risk in it, as the built-in
    software does not.

    People, you are very safe with Windows firewall, so don't bother.
     
    Flight, Aug 22, 2008
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  8. AliceZ

    Kayman Guest

    Educational Reading:
    Managing the Windows Vista Firewall
    http://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/magazine/cc510323.aspx

    Please listen what the real experts have to say about 3rd party software
    firewalls (PFW) in relation to Internet Security:

    On August 07, 2007, the software engineers/programmers of Sunbelt Software
    (the makers of Sunbelt Personal Firewall) have raised reservations about
    the usefulness of outbound protection provided by personal firewalls (PFW)
    in cases where malware has already executed and describe it as a
    *questionable* basis on which to build a *security* assessment.

    Furthermore, during a interview with Leo Laporte (August 16, 2007), Steve
    Gibson, of Gibson Research Corporation said that he has given up
    updating his *'Firewall Leak Test'* application because he found it
    essentially worthless to continue and admitted a software-based firewall
    (PFW) is kind of *pointless* to employ.

    Also, a pointed response from Jesper M. Johansson to (denigrating)
    statements about how the WindowsXP firewall does not provide outbound
    filtering (May 01, 2006).

     
    Kayman, Aug 22, 2008
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  9. AliceZ

    Root Kit Guest

    Not really.
    Not really.
    That's true. Like ActiveX rich sites and so forth...
    I see nothing being forced on anyone here.

    However, unless you're running Vista and can run IE in protected mode,
    I would recommend a different browser (anything except IE and browsers
    that build on IE) at any time for security reasons.
     
    Root Kit, Aug 22, 2008
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  10. AliceZ

    Root Kit Guest

    Of course ZA produces irritant errors. That's what it's designed to
    do. In fact, ZA is an error in itself.
    Agreed. Having folks who have no clue about networking messing around
    with 3rd party firewalls is a very bad idea.
    Agreed. More software => increase in complexity => reduction in
    security.
    Well, they are pretty safe against outside threats. No firewall
    (windows or other) will protect them against themselves.
     
    Root Kit, Aug 22, 2008
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  11. AliceZ

    Mr. Arnold Guest

    FF and TB are not the only solutions out there but there are more bullet
    proof that IE and WM, if one doesn't know how to configure them security.

    I don't see you coming up with anything, other than, you flying of into
    left field like a rabid dog. I considered that OpenDNS junk you tossed out
    there *crap* and a complete waste of time and money, but if you think that
    security blanket gives you that warm and fussy feeling, that's you. But did
    I
    get in your face with a bunch of BS, becuase you posted?

    I do see why you have a nym of Flight, because you seem like you'll fly off
    the handle at the drop of a hat.
     
    Mr. Arnold, Aug 22, 2008
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  12. AliceZ

    Root Kit Guest

    The Windows Firewall does a decent job in protecting from incoming
    threats (which is the main purpose of a host based packet filter which
    is in fact what it is).

    It doesn't do much to prevent outgoing information in the normal
    understanding of "outbound application control" which is in fact a
    clever design choice - because preventing bad code allowed to run from
    sending data out is an impossible task and preventing good code from
    sending data out is unnecessary since you should never run programs
    you don't trust.
    Stick to safe hex and be skeptical like in any other aspects of life.
    If something sounds too good to be true - it most likely is.
    Since you don't know anything about firewalls and networks - stick to
    the windows firewall and instead be careful about what you do. Don't
    install or run all kinds of software from dubious sources.
    In that case it's very important that you have made the most basic
    security configurations on your router and that you use strong
    encryption for your wireless.

    On your router, you should at least:
    * Change the default password
    * make sure WAN administration is turned off
    * make sure UPnP is turned off

    For your wireless connection you should be using WPA encryption.

    If you don't know how to do this, get help from someone who does..
     
    Root Kit, Aug 22, 2008
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  13. On Fri, 22 Aug 2008 04:12:16 -0400, "Mr. Arnold" <MR.
    Speaking of one's nym, here's a list "Mr. Arnold" has used in the past
    2 weeks:

    The Bee (his newest)
    Anti on Chicken Little(s)
    Junk Yard Dog
    Little Mad Dog
    The Lone Ranger
    The Lone Ranger1
    The Lone Ranger2
    Paul Montgomery
    Paul Montgomery 9000
    General Paul Montgomery
    General Paul Montgomery1
    General Paul Montgomery2
    General Paul Montgomery3
    General Paul Montgomery4
    General Paul Montgomery5
    General Paul Montgomery6
    General Paul Montgomery7

    There should be some good opportunitiy for psychoanalysis in that
    list.
     
    Paul Montgomery, Aug 22, 2008
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  14. Paul Montgomery wrote:

    I am Paul Montgomery that got my feelings hurt, because I opened my
    mouth trying to tell someone what I was going to do.

    So, I am off in other NG(s)spreading my goodwill

    Looks like you're beyond help!

    Although, I am all of those things and everything seems normal to me...

    Mark
     
    Paul Montgomery, Aug 22, 2008
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  15. AliceZ

    Flight Guest

    If you think FF and TB are more secure than IE and WM, then think again!
    Just visit some sites dealing with security and you will learn about bad
    security risks in for instance FF 3. And you will learn that there are now
    more security holes in FF than in IE. Your language shows two things: lack
    of thourough knowledge about what is playing on in security land, and a lack
    of decency. So I will not react any longer on your idiot postings.
     
    Flight, Aug 22, 2008
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  16. AliceZ

    Flight Guest

    Leave him, Mark. He has not a millimeter decency in his body. Looks like one
    of those students, still visiting school and thinks that they know
    everything better than people, working in the field with those things.
     
    Flight, Aug 22, 2008
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  17. AliceZ

    Flight Guest

    I completely agree with you. I couldn't have said it better. Thanks.
     
    Flight, Aug 22, 2008
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  18. AliceZ

    Flight Guest

    I second that.
     
    Flight, Aug 22, 2008
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  19. Both posts sucked you in and came from the person using these names:

    Mr. Arnold
    The Bee (his newest)
    Anti on Chicken Little(s)
    Junk Yard Dog
    Little Mad Dog
    The Lone Ranger
    The Lone Ranger1
    The Lone Ranger2
    Paul Montgomery 9000
    General Paul Montgomery
    General Paul Montgomery1
    General Paul Montgomery2
    General Paul Montgomery3
    General Paul Montgomery4
    General Paul Montgomery5
    General Paul Montgomery6
    General Paul Montgomery7
     
    Paul Montgomery, Aug 22, 2008
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  20. You tell him. That way, he won't have to be bothered with you again.
     
    Paul Montgomery, Aug 22, 2008
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