Vista is a nightmare

Discussion in 'Windows Vista Performance' started by Paul, May 28, 2007.

  1. Paul

    Paul Guest

    As an IT contractor for the last seven years I've had to keep up to date
    with new operating systems as part of my CV, and the other day from the
    Action Pack I installed Vista Business as an upgrade to XP Pro. It's a
    nightmare. All I ever see is a small rotating wheel before anything happens
    and any action whatever results in a delay far outweighing any delay seen
    for the same action performed with XP Pro.

    I have a 3Ghz P4 processor and 4Gb of RAM on an Intel m/board running VMWare
    with NT4 / Win2k / XP Pro / Vista all running as vmdk's.

    Of the four o/s's NT4 runs in a flash, Win2k is fine, XP Pro is slower as a
    vmdk than base OS but Vista is a nightmare. I won't uninstall it because I
    need knowledge of it for my CV but has anyone else suffered accordingly? On
    what I previously considered to be a fast machine?

    Before anyone asks I have carried out 9 of the 10 suggestions at
    http://www.pctuneuptips.com/tips/vista_tweaks/?gclid=CP2NnfHVrowCFQ0fEAodVnSnIQ

    As for option 5. Add a 2GB or higher USB Flash drive to take advantage of
    Windows Ready Boost
    why should I have to shell out another wad of cash to speed up a dog that
    ought to be running properly in the first place with 4Gb to hand?

    Microsoft I don't know what you think you've achieved with this release but
    the Ubuntu / Solaris route is looking ever more attractive.

    Paul
     
    Paul, May 28, 2007
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  2. You upgraded a virtual machine that was Windows XP to Vista? Is this
    correct?

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    Regards,

    Richard Urban
    Microsoft MVP Windows Shell/User
    (For email, remove the obvious from my address)

    Quote from George Ankner:
    If you knew as much as you think you know,
    You would realize that you don't know what you thought you knew!
     
    Richard Urban, May 28, 2007
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  3. Paul

    Paul Guest

    Yes, and your point is?

    Paul
     
    Paul, May 28, 2007
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  4. Paul

    Robert Moir Guest

    Upgrades of Windows operating systems yield unpredictable results. I
    wouldn't have expected to have to tell that to someone with 7 years
    experience in the IT field to be honest. (See, we can do attitude too!).
     
    Robert Moir, May 28, 2007
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  5. Paul

    Paul Guest

    The version of Vista included in the Action Pack relies on an existing O/S
    being present before it will install. I tried Win2k but it didn't want to
    know.

    I take it from your reply that should I decide to go out and buy a fully
    fledged version of Vista it will fly :) I won't be doing that. Vista is
    useable on this machine but it is v e r y s l o w.

    In the field BTW upgrades are not a feature of my work, I normally deal with
    new installations from Ghost images, so the "unpredictable results" to which
    you refer are not something I've come across.

    Attitude? That's what newsgroups are for isn't it?

    Paul
     
    Paul, May 28, 2007
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  6. Paul

    Robert Moir Guest

    I don't blame you. Vista sucks enough to pull a bowling ball through a very
    small straw. I certainly wouldn't be using it if I had to actually purchase
    it.

    However, you _can_ do a clean install of Vista as a trial, without
    specifying a product key, and then "upgrade" that to a properly licenced
    version. A pain in the hoop, I'll be the first to admit, but it's perfectly
    do-able. I don't have the URL with the exact howto to hand, but it isn't far
    away if you google a bit.
     
    Robert Moir, May 28, 2007
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  7. Paul

    Paul Guest

    Thank you.

    I do remember noticing that I didn't "have" to enter the Product Key
    initially and did try to continue on that basis. Can't remember what
    happened after that, suspect I just went with the XP base install followed
    by Vista.

    Incidentally, it wasn't an upgrade over an old and clogged XP Pro
    installation. It was a new minimal base XP install with Vista on top.

    Paul
     
    Paul, May 28, 2007
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  8. Paul

    Rick Rogers Guest

    Hi Paul,

    How much memory is allocated to the Vista VM? It'd need a minimum of a gig
    for reasonable performance, and it'd have to stay in the forefront. My
    experience with Vista in VM's is, let's say, less than satisfactory. You
    might want to try installing it to a separate partition or additional drive
    to get a reasonable assessment of performance. Keep in mind that an older OS
    on the same hardware will run faster, Vista is really geared more towards
    the most recent stuff as there is a lot of overhead.
     
    Rick Rogers, May 28, 2007
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  9. Paul

    Paul Guest

    Just checked the settings, it has 1024Mb allocated, I could of course
    increase that to 2Gb without affecting the other two VMs I'm running.

    The board is an Intel D875PBZ with all the mem slots having 1Gb each, and a
    P4 3Ghz sadly only 512Mb cache, I'm thinking of going on eBay to get a 1Mb
    or 2Mb version of the same chip.

    It was a good board when I bought it two or three years ago.

    I'm not that bothered, with 2k & XP running I just use those for email and
    browsing, the Vista is just there for curiosity, yes it does look nice :)
    Should have said that earlier.

    Very curious to see what running Linux as a base with VMWare on top running
    M$ O/S's is like, many people do that apparently and it works well.

    Paul
     
    Paul, May 28, 2007
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  10. Paul

    Robert Moir Guest

    If you use Virtual Machines enough that a "Virtual Machine Server" of some
    kind on your LAN makes sense then this would probably be the ideal
    configuration for it. None of the virtual products offer perfect support for
    all the various odd kinds of devices that might get plugged into a desktop
    machine so you might want to keep that in mind if you're considering doing
    that to your main PC.
     
    Robert Moir, May 28, 2007
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  11. Paul

    mikeyhsd Guest

    are you running the vmware version that is vista compatible.







    As an IT contractor for the last seven years I've had to keep up to date
    with new operating systems as part of my CV, and the other day from the
    Action Pack I installed Vista Business as an upgrade to XP Pro. It's a
    nightmare. All I ever see is a small rotating wheel before anything happens
    and any action whatever results in a delay far outweighing any delay seen
    for the same action performed with XP Pro.

    I have a 3Ghz P4 processor and 4Gb of RAM on an Intel m/board running VMWare
    with NT4 / Win2k / XP Pro / Vista all running as vmdk's.

    Of the four o/s's NT4 runs in a flash, Win2k is fine, XP Pro is slower as a
    vmdk than base OS but Vista is a nightmare. I won't uninstall it because I
    need knowledge of it for my CV but has anyone else suffered accordingly? On
    what I previously considered to be a fast machine?

    Before anyone asks I have carried out 9 of the 10 suggestions at
    http://www.pctuneuptips.com/tips/vista_tweaks/?gclid=CP2NnfHVrowCFQ0fEAodVnSnIQ

    As for option 5. Add a 2GB or higher USB Flash drive to take advantage of
    Windows Ready Boost
    why should I have to shell out another wad of cash to speed up a dog that
    ought to be running properly in the first place with 4Gb to hand?

    Microsoft I don't know what you think you've achieved with this release but
    the Ubuntu / Solaris route is looking ever more attractive.

    Paul
     
    mikeyhsd, May 28, 2007
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  12. Paul

    Kerry Brown Guest


    You will not get a good experience with Vista in a vm. For the best speed
    you need a Aero capable video card even if you have Glass turned off. This
    isn't possible in a vm. That CPU is also a bit slow for running virtual
    machines. Your post also shows a misunderstanding of virtual machines unless
    you have allocated 4 GB to the vm. I also tried testing Vista in various
    virtual environments. It is slow but usable for testing purposes. If you
    want to get a real feel for the OS you need to install it outside of a
    virtual environment.
     
    Kerry Brown, May 28, 2007
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  13. Why would you not just create a new virtual machine for Vista. You certainly
    took the hard path which is prone to potential problems. And, you have
    problems.

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    Regards,

    Richard Urban
    Microsoft MVP Windows Shell/User
    (For email, remove the obvious from my address)

    Quote from George Ankner:
    If you knew as much as you think you know,
    You would realize that you don't know what you thought you knew!
     
    Richard Urban, May 28, 2007
    #13
  14. Paul

    Paul Guest

    1) Because the CD I have for Vista is an upgrade CD from the Action Pack.

    2) I've solved the problems I had by upping the memory allocation from 1Gb
    to 2Gb for the virtual machine.

    Paul
     
    Paul, May 29, 2007
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  15. Paul

    Paul Guest

    are you running the vmware version that is vista compatible.





    Just bought 6.0 the other day so I'd say yes.



    It's just got a lot better having turned stuff off in Vista and increased the mem. allocation.



    Paul
     
    Paul, May 29, 2007
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  16. Paul

    Paul Guest

    Thanks for your comments. I have got a useable machine by turning off all
    the "Features" and using 2Gb of RAM. Since I don't intend loading many apps
    apart from Office 2007 then I won't be loading the machine so I expect it
    will suffice for learning my way around Vista which is all I need it for.
    Bit of a shock first off though to find that wheel forever spinning with no
    end in sight. It has improved beyond measure since doing the above.

    Paul
     
    Paul, May 29, 2007
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  17. Paul

    margaretlee Guest

    Paul, I don't know enough about vm's, virtual environments and all that other
    computer talk, I do know that I purchased a brand new laptop with Vista and
    it has many faults that one would not expect in a new computer. I have done
    all the things suggested to take care of my problems, so far none have
    worked. If the only problems I had were the wheel forever spinning and slow
    processing, I would content, but a bit happier to at least be able to use my
    own software.

    Margaretlee
     
    margaretlee, May 29, 2007
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