Vista is awful for me, why ?

Discussion in 'Windows Vista General Discussion' started by Billy Bobs, Jan 13, 2008.

  1. Billy Bobs

    Billy Bobs Guest

    I have let Vista do this hardrive thrashing for many many months now.
    I have had it and can no longer take it.
    I read that it should have stopped after awhile but it has not.
    I just started tweaking to try and make it stop.
    I cannot find what is causing the hard drive thrashing or what is holding me
    up.
    I have to wait my turn just to do the basic computer stuff, why ?
    All of this background running around vista does is not helpful to me.

    Can you make a stripped down expert version for gamers ?
    You have so many vista versions already, what is one more?
    Make it so that does not have all of this background bs running, indexing,
    cacheing and whatever you think needs to run in the background using up all
    of my resources. Have options so I can turn all of this off.

    I have turned off vista indexing, defragmenter, search, superfetch, aero,
    and killed everything else that is not needed with Autoruns.

    The hard drive still constantly thrashes for hours and HOURS !!!!!
    This has been going on since I first installed it way back in June 2007.
    I have searched to see what is sucking up all of the CPU cycles and nothing
    shows up in task manager.
    So it is hidden and yet the hard drive light is going a thousand miles an
    hour and the CPU usage is way up and so is the ram usage.
    I have no virus or malware.
    I run vista defender when it pops up on the one day I tell it to run so it
    is not it.
    I am trying to use the computer but the computer will not let me because it
    has to run some bs in the back ground that everybody tells me should not
    affect me.
    Well it does !
    Plus Vista uses up all of my ram to guess at what I am going to open next ?
    Give my ram a break !
    This hardrive thrashing affects everything I do. I have to wait on it. It
    holds me up. It affects my streaming interent radio, cutting it off and on
    and then completely off. I have to refresh it to start playing again. This
    happens all night long !
    I have to wait for webpages to load, etc...

    Always waiting on Vista !

    I just sat here all day playing the internet radio while watching video with
    18 web pages open, checking mail and uploading pictures without one radio
    hiccup in XP.

    I have to use a third party defragmenter just so I can get defragmenting
    over with in 5 minutes versus the 18 hours vista takes.
    Where are the little boxes that show me how defragmented it is and how much
    longer I have to go until it is done.

    I would rather wait for a search than have to wait every time I boot up for
    vista to let me do something.

    Everything crashes.
    Then vista tells me to download the latest updates that I already have.
    I submit for solutions from Microsoft and I get nothing.

    I have none of these problems with XP and never did.

    I am using a 4800x2 dual core with 4gigs of ram, two 7800gtx video cards in
    sli, raptor hd, everything is watercooled and Vista still brings it to its
    knees all the time.
    I have all updated drivers for everything.
    WHAT GIVES ???

    Is Hollywood to blame ?
    http://www.cs.auckland.ac.nz/~pgut001/pubs/vista_cost.html

    It is going to suck when I am forced to have to use vista !

    I do not know where else to vent my frustrations about this software to get
    it fixed.

    I have tried every tweak guide to get it running better but nothing helps to
    stop the hd thrashing!

    What do I do now ? :(

    Please help !

    Thanks !

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    Billy Bobs, Jan 13, 2008
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  2. Billy Bobs

    AlexB Guest

    I've seen you incendiary and inflammatory post already three time in the
    past.

    I can explain to you why Vista is doing it for you:: "Because you are a
    crook, you are an idiot, and you deserved it."

    And you do not deserve any help in this forum.
     
    AlexB, Jan 13, 2008
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  3. There's something wrong with your computer.
    I have and Intel Pentium D machine with 1 GB of RAM and HD activity is
    similar to my other PC which is a Win XP machine and neither of them thrash
    the HD.
     
    Hiram B Culpeper, Jan 13, 2008
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  4. I would suggest you consider purchasing a new hard drive
    that will resolve your hardware issue. My recommendation:

    Seagate Barracuda 7200.10 ST3250410AS 250GB 7200 RPM 16MB Cache SATA 3.0Gb/s Hard Drive - OEM
    http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16822148262


    --
    Carey Frisch
    Microsoft MVP
    Windows Shell/User

    ---------------------------------------------------------------

    :

    I have let Vista do this hardrive thrashing for many many months now.
    I have had it and can no longer take it.
    I read that it should have stopped after awhile but it has not.
    I just started tweaking to try and make it stop.
    I cannot find what is causing the hard drive thrashing or what is holding me
    up.
    I have to wait my turn just to do the basic computer stuff, why ?
    All of this background running around vista does is not helpful to me.

    Can you make a stripped down expert version for gamers ?
    You have so many vista versions already, what is one more?
    Make it so that does not have all of this background bs running, indexing,
    cacheing and whatever you think needs to run in the background using up all
    of my resources. Have options so I can turn all of this off.

    I have turned off vista indexing, defragmenter, search, superfetch, aero,
    and killed everything else that is not needed with Autoruns.

    The hard drive still constantly thrashes for hours and HOURS !!!!!
    This has been going on since I first installed it way back in June 2007.
    I have searched to see what is sucking up all of the CPU cycles and nothing
    shows up in task manager.
    So it is hidden and yet the hard drive light is going a thousand miles an
    hour and the CPU usage is way up and so is the ram usage.
    I have no virus or malware.
    I run vista defender when it pops up on the one day I tell it to run so it
    is not it.
    I am trying to use the computer but the computer will not let me because it
    has to run some bs in the back ground that everybody tells me should not
    affect me.
    Well it does !
    Plus Vista uses up all of my ram to guess at what I am going to open next ?
    Give my ram a break !
    This hardrive thrashing affects everything I do. I have to wait on it. It
    holds me up. It affects my streaming interent radio, cutting it off and on
    and then completely off. I have to refresh it to start playing again. This
    happens all night long !
    I have to wait for webpages to load, etc...

    Always waiting on Vista !

    I just sat here all day playing the internet radio while watching video with
    18 web pages open, checking mail and uploading pictures without one radio
    hiccup in XP.

    I have to use a third party defragmenter just so I can get defragmenting
    over with in 5 minutes versus the 18 hours vista takes.
    Where are the little boxes that show me how defragmented it is and how much
    longer I have to go until it is done.

    I would rather wait for a search than have to wait every time I boot up for
    vista to let me do something.

    Everything crashes.
    Then vista tells me to download the latest updates that I already have.
    I submit for solutions from Microsoft and I get nothing.

    I have none of these problems with XP and never did.

    I am using a 4800x2 dual core with 4gigs of ram, two 7800gtx video cards in
    sli, raptor hd, everything is watercooled and Vista still brings it to its
    knees all the time.
    I have all updated drivers for everything.
    WHAT GIVES ???

    Is Hollywood to blame ?
    http://www.cs.auckland.ac.nz/~pgut001/pubs/vista_cost.html

    It is going to suck when I am forced to have to use vista !

    I do not know where else to vent my frustrations about this software to get
    it fixed.

    I have tried every tweak guide to get it running better but nothing helps to
    stop the hd thrashing!

    What do I do now ? :(

    Please help !

    Thanks !

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    Carey Frisch [MVP], Jan 13, 2008
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  5. Billy Bobs

    Billy Bobs Guest

    Ummm what are you talking about AlexB ?
    This is the first time I have ever posted in this place.
    Why are you calling me a crook and an idiot ?
     
    Billy Bobs, Jan 13, 2008
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  6. Billy Bobs

    DP Guest


    Why? What else do you plan to do with your ram?
     
    DP, Jan 13, 2008
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  7. Billy Bobs

    Billy Bobs Guest

    Carey, this is a brand new Western Digital Hardrive 500GB 7200 RPM 16MB Cache
    SATA 3.0Gb/s I bought just for Vista.
    I run XP on the WD raptor, sorry.
     
    Billy Bobs, Jan 13, 2008
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  8. Billy Bobs

    Ken Guest

    May be you have 64bit version? I found that to thrash more than 32bit. So i
    put on 32bit and it hardly ever thrashes


    Ken
     
    Ken, Jan 13, 2008
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  9. Billy Bobs

    Billy Bobs Guest

    Hiram, I have absolutley no HD activity on my XP hard drive using all of this
    same hardware I use with a seperate harddrive for Vista.
    I have run Avast antivirus, Spy Sweeper, Vista Defender all from the time I
    installed Vista.
    Nothing shows up as a problem.
     
    Billy Bobs, Jan 13, 2008
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  10. Billy Bobs

    DP Guest

    Does Vista recognize all of your memory?
    Seems like I've heard here that Vista can be picky and may have trouble with
    memory sticks, even tho the same sticks worked fine in XP.
    Not seeing all of your memory would explain why the drive is thrashing so
    much.
     
    DP, Jan 13, 2008
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  11. Billy Bobs

    philo Guest

    First thing I do with any windows install (Win2k, XP, Vista)
    no matter how good the H/W is...
    go to the control panel, system, advanced then set for best performance.

    On all the XP machines I work on I do that...then set the theme back to XP
    theme...
    and the only difference the owners notice is that their system works better.
    Works the same with Vista too.


    BTW: you do have the chipset drivers installed ?
     
    philo, Jan 13, 2008
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  12. Billy Bobs

    Billy Bobs Guest

    Ken, guess I should have stated what version I had, sorry.
    Vista Business 32bit and Xp 64bit.
     
    Billy Bobs, Jan 13, 2008
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  13. Use Task Manager and see what process is using up cpu time while it is
    thrashing.
     
    David Sanders, Jan 13, 2008
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  14. Billy Bobs

    marz Guest

    er, get a better computer dude, one which is like up to date and stuff
    join the part of humanity which uses latest drivers, dx 10, shade
    model 3, 64 bit instruction set, more easily readable graphics, bette
    utilities , wonderful stability, much hardened security... or else g
    for the 'simple' option and go back to 98, lots of people, you wouldn'
    believe how many, 5 % are still using 98.. like wow, xp was updated
    even after sp1, vista is basically a BIG update which fixes stuff tha
    makes your ohterwise great knowledge like fighting guns with sticks
    some people read one thing and they think they have 20 years o
    knowledge
    else creep around forums suggesting that you know very well how to us
    a pinter menu window system but basically state that you can't make
    system which others find very useful -- we are talking 80% at least i
    the next couple of yeas.. work.
    keep thrashing about in that cage of rage dude, they keep heating u
    the bars with burining oil, bates oil, hate hate hate, vista is evil
    scream man, keep on screaming waaaaaaaaaaaa waaaaaaaaaaaa waaaaaaa, o
    like perhaps you could chill out and upgrade
    waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa thrashing around, i hope it doesn't keep you u
    all night, reality si that you probably have other 'great ideas' whic
    do that. keep it coming, you are funny - ppl like you keep the hacker
    using zombies buring the rest of us up when you feel you have don
    something goo
     
    marz, Jan 13, 2008
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  15. Billy Bobs

    forty-nine Guest

    Reinstall vista and do only one tweak...turn off Windows Search thru
    services !
    That's It !

    If you been "fiddling" with all those "tweak guides" , there is your
    problem.

    Also, be wary of these third party "free utilities".

    If you defrag on a regular basis, it will never take hours ( unless you
    used the wrong RAID drivers or MB drivers )

    You have either borked the installation, or you have something "unknown"
    running on your PC ( sorry, but you sound like a person who downloads
    and installs all kinds of BS)
     
    forty-nine, Jan 13, 2008
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  16. Billy Bobs

    Billy Bobs Guest

    DP, my vista business 32bit sees 2559MB ram out of the 4gb I use with Xp64bit.
    I know the 32bit memory address deal.
    But Vista is always using 800mb (31%) Physical Memory usage to over 1gb when
    ever I check in the task manager to see what is doing all of the thrashing.
     
    Billy Bobs, Jan 13, 2008
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  17. Billy Bobs

    Billy Bobs Guest

    David, I do and it shows System Idle Process CPU at 97, yet the HD light is
    flashing constantly to almost solid on.
     
    Billy Bobs, Jan 14, 2008
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  18. Billy Bobs

    Billy Bobs Guest

    philo, Mine is at let Windows choose, I will try that.
    I never had to set it to that in XP, I will try it for vista.
    My HD is set to Optimize for Performance
    I have not set it back to XP Theme yet.
     
    Billy Bobs, Jan 14, 2008
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  19. Billy Bobs

    flambe Guest

    I am guessing yours is a socket 939 AMD processor with a motherboard running
    the Nforce 4 chipset.
    While I dislike Vista I believe that the mobo drivers for this chipset are
    just unpolished and do not run Vista smoothly.
    On my dual boot system that uses this chipset the differences in performance
    between Vista and XP are so enormous you can time them by your stopwatch or
    by watching paint dry waiting for Vista to complete operations involving
    disc access. SP1 does almost nothing to improve perfomance.
    Since socket 939 was killed off by AMD long ago there is no impetus for
    Nvidia to fix the drivers.
    On dual boot systems using more recent chipsets the differences in
    performance between Vista and XP are still obvious, just no so pathetically
    obvious.
     
    flambe, Jan 14, 2008
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  20. Billy Bobs

    Billy Bobs Guest

    DP, now after sitting here 15 minutes or so after boot up My memory usage is
    at 0.99GB.
    It shows 39 Free, 1759 Cached, 2558 Total (MB) and System Idle Process is at
    97 on the CPU.
    So why does vista need all of that ?
    Oh and my HD light is flashing away !
     
    Billy Bobs, Jan 14, 2008
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