Vista, Outlook Express 6 & 7 & Windows Live Mail

Discussion in 'Windows Live Mail' started by D. Spencer Hines, Jun 30, 2008.

  1. Is it not possible to use Outlook Express 6 or 7 in Vista?

    Is one required to use Windows Live Mail as the email and newsgroups reader
    in Vista?


    D. Spencer Hines, Jun 30, 2008
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  2. There is no Outlook Express (OE) 7. That latest version that there is
    or ever will be is version 6.

    Outlook Express cannot be installed or run on Vista.

    Vista comes with Windows Mail (WM) which was the intended replacement
    for OE.

    WM is also coming to an end. Microsoft is no longer doing any
    significant development with that product. Instead there is now Windows
    Live Mail (WLM) which runs on XP SP2+ and Vista. WLM is the only free
    mail/news client that Microsoft intends to do any development on.

    Of course you are free to use mail/news clients from other vendors.
    Michael Santovec, Jun 30, 2008
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  3. Thanks. Pity.
    No Vista for me then until WLM is debugged. I'll stick with XP SP3. I'll
    bet millions of other folks are doing the same thing -- and that's not good
    for Microsoft's bottom line.

    Why did WM flunk? Windows Dead Mail as compared to Windows Live Mail. Good
    Thanks for the straight, unvarnished info.

    D. Spencer Hines, Jun 30, 2008
  4. My take is that Windows Live Mail wasn't ready when Vista was close
    to being ready. So Microsoft quickly tossed Windows Mail into the breech
    so that they could ship Vista on time.
    Gary VanderMolen, Jun 30, 2008
  5. Hmmmmmmmmm...


    D. Spencer Hines, Jun 30, 2008
  6. Was Vista close to being ready in June 2006 when all further development was

    What about the scores of bugs that were posted by private beta participants
    (all of which were reproducible) that were all close by June 2006 and marked
    either "Cannot reproduce" or "Will not fix"?

    PA Bear [MS MVP], Jun 30, 2008

  7. It looks almost the opposite to me. WM was first,
    a port of OE functionality which would fix the .dbx problem,
    perhaps using some Vista only services... <w>

    But that would have been a Vista only solution to that problem.
    How could the same enhancement be provided to XP users?
    So then WLMD would have been an afterthought about how
    to do that. Then, if the Vista only services that WM was designed
    for weren't actually available in that OS <W>, WLMD would be
    the better solution for Vista too...


    Robert Aldwinckle
    Robert Aldwinckle, Jun 30, 2008
  8. Although I was one of the beta testers, I don't remember the
    exact time frame when Vista bugs stopped being fixed, except
    for so-called 'show stoppers'.
    I do remember that Windows Mail was thrown into the mix rather
    late in the beta testing cycle, and very few of its bug reports
    were responded to in a meaningful fashion.
    Gary VanderMolen, Jun 30, 2008
  9. People talk about this .dbx problem all the time.

    I've never experienced it and I've been using OE for many, many years.

    I use Norton successfully, update AV daily, and compress OE many times

    I also backup OE frequently with OE Quick Backup.

    So, what's this continual whining about "The .DBX Problem"?

    D. Spencer Hines, Jun 30, 2008
  10. That's definitely Bad Rice Writ Large.

    'Show Stoppers' is a standard flim-flam term.

    D. Spencer Hines, Jun 30, 2008
  11. All development on Windows Mail and OE ended in June 2006, Gary. From then
    on, the team's sole focus was and remains WLMail.
    PA Bear [MS MVP], Jun 30, 2008
  12. I didn't realize Windows Mail development stopped that early.
    No wonder then that the WM bugs reported by Vista beta testers
    were virtually ignored.
    Gary VanderMolen, Jun 30, 2008
  13. Good.

    I hope they are reading and listening to us.

    How do Windows Mail and Windows Live Mail differ?

    The folks who put Outlook Express together must have been VERY talented

    D. Spencer Hines, Jun 30, 2008
  14. I don't think the Good Folks at Microsoft understand just what a close and
    intimate relationship users have with their EMAIL and NEWSGROUP programs.

    Windows Live Mail developers need to be aware of that and devise a truly
    superior program...

    Which OUTLOOK EXPRESS certainly IS.




    Lux et Veritas et Libertas
    D. Spencer Hines, Jun 30, 2008
  15. And no wonder so many longtime OE MVPs chose to drop out of the MVP program.
    PA Bear [MS MVP], Jun 30, 2008
  16. Windows Mail (WM) and Windows Live Mail (WLM) are both based on Outlook
    Express (OE), so they have a lot in common.

    Some of the differences and similarities.

    Some version of OE runs on all versions of Windows since Win95 except
    for Vista. The exact versions of OE supported depends on the version of
    Windows. WM is Vista only and WLM is XP SP2+ and Vista.

    OE uses DBX files for message storage. WM and WLM both use EML/NWS

    OE supports Hotmail access with HTTP Web DAV, which will be going away
    at some point, perhaps next year. WLM supports Hotmail access with HTTP
    Delta Synch. WM does not support any Hotmail HTTP access.

    OE uses the Windows Address Book (WAB) which a few other programs also
    support, such as some versions of MS Works. WM uses the Vista Contacts.
    WLM uses its own Contacts which causes no end of confusion for Vista

    OE and WM have better support for Stationery and tweaking HTML than WLM.

    WLM is the only program that Microsoft is going forward with.
    Michael Santovec, Jul 1, 2008
  17. Thank you VERY much.

    That was Clear, Concise & Coherent.


    Lux et Veritas et Libertas
    D. Spencer Hines, Jul 2, 2008
  18. D. Spencer Hines

    ...winston Guest

    Some additional info on WLM and WM..

    Windows Live Mail(WLM) supports WebDAV servers for and accounts if those same accounts are capable of WebDAV
    support in OE or OL(without the Outlook Connector).
    - DeltaSync(no h) is the preferred protocol for use in WLM.
    - migrated OE accounts may retain the WebDAV server setting

    Windows Mail(WM) can access Live ID Contacts if Windows Live Messenger is installed. Messenger contacts are stored in Vista's
    Users\<Windows Logon Id>\Contacts\<LiveID> subfolder. Contacts can be viewed, edited, used for sending mail(WM email composition
    To: function, right context menu/action/send mail(uses default email client).
    - note: Contacts edited when accessed from WM(uses Explorer) will update the LiveID's Hotmail Contacts when Live Messenger is
    logged on.
    ...winston, Jul 2, 2008
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