Vista Registry and Systeam Cleaning Tools. Any Recommendations?

Discussion in 'Windows Vista General Discussion' started by goorambatman, Oct 20, 2007.

  1. goorambatman

    goorambatman Guest

    Hi there, I have been an XP user and with that I have successfully used PC
    Tools Registry Mechanic and Webroot Window Washer for maintaining my system.

    Window washer is supposed to be fully Vista compatible and Registry Mechanic
    is supposed to offer basic Vista support.

    Does any one recommend any other system maintaining software for Vista?

    Im wondering if there is good registry tool or system checking tool out
    there to help heep my PC running fine?
     
    goorambatman, Oct 20, 2007
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  2. Do not touch the Registry period in Vista. There have been recent
    posts on this .On a Registry scan I have over 400 errors showing. I
    have been told to leave them along. If you try to clean the Registry
    you can do untold non fixable harm. Leave it well alone. Just live
    with any errors like I do. Vista can handle it.
     
    Michael Yardley, Oct 20, 2007
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  3. goorambatman

    Dave Guest

    ....or you can just backup your registry first. I have used Registry
    Mechanic, Tuneup Utilities, Vista Manager, Advanced System Optimiser and
    CCleaner and Vista is running smoothly and I've never had to restore the
    registry from a backup. Registry Mechanic does have a bit of an issue on
    Vista x64 though.
     
    Dave, Oct 20, 2007
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  4. There's no such thing as a "good" registry cleaner for any OS.
    About the best that can be said for any of them is that they don't
    render the computer unusable each time you use one.

    Why do you think you'd ever need to clean your registry? What
    specific *problems* are you actually experiencing (not some program's
    bogus listing of imaginary problems) that you think can be fixed by
    using a registry cleaner?

    If you do have a problem that is rooted in the registry, it would
    be far better to simply edit (after backing up, of course) only the
    specific key(s) and/or value(s) that are causing the problem. After
    all, why use a chainsaw when a scalpel will do the job? Additionally,
    the manually changing of one or two registry entries is far less likely
    to have the dire consequences of allowing an automated product to make
    multiple changes simultaneously. The only thing needed to safely clean
    your registry is knowledge and Regedit.exe.

    The registry contains all of the operating system's "knowledge" of
    the computer's hardware devices, installed software, the location of the
    device drivers, and the computer's configuration. A misstep in the
    registry can have severe consequences. One should not even turning
    loose a poorly understood automated "cleaner," unless he is fully
    confident that he knows *exactly* what is going to happen as a result of
    each and every change.

    Having repeatedly seen the results of inexperienced people using
    automated registry "cleaners," I can only advise all but the most
    experienced computer technicians (and/or hobbyists) to avoid them all.
    Experience has shown me that such tools simply are not safe in the hands
    of the inexperienced user. If you lack the knowledge and experience to
    maintain your registry by yourself, then you also lack the knowledge and
    experience to safely configure and use any automated registry cleaner,
    no matter how safe they claim to be.

    More importantly, no one has ever demonstrated that the use of an
    automated registry cleaner, particularly by an untrained, inexperienced
    computer user, does any real good, whatsoever. There's certainly been
    no empirical evidence offered to demonstrate that the use of such
    products to "clean" WinXP's registry improves a computer's performance
    or stability. Given the potential for harm, it's just not worth the risk.

    Granted, most registry "cleaners" won't cause problems each and
    every time they're used, but the potential for harm is always there.
    And, since no registry "cleaner" has ever been demonstrated to do any
    good (think of them like treating the flu with chicken soup - there's no
    real medicinal value, but it sometimes provides a warming placebo
    effect), I always tell people that the risks far out-weigh the
    non-existent benefits.

    I will concede that a good registry *scanning* tool, in the hands
    of an experienced and knowledgeable technician or hobbyist can be a
    useful time-saving diagnostic tool, as long as it's not allowed to make
    any changes automatically. But I really don't think that there are any
    registry cleaners that are truly safe for the general public to use.
    Experience has proven just the opposite: such tools simply are not safe
    in the hands of the inexperienced user.

    For other cleaning and maintenance, Vista's built-in tools are more
    than sufficient.


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    Bruce Chambers, Oct 20, 2007
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  5. goorambatman

    Greg Guest

    That's some real good advice Bruce but are you taking into account that most
    of the average users have NO idea of the ramifications of incorrectly
    "editing the registry". Even with the backup you suggest, many users would
    have no idea of how to restore it. Do YOU know what you're doing?
     
    Greg, Oct 20, 2007
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  6. goorambatman

    anandk Guest

    Only if you constantly install/uninstall programs, should you consider using
    a registry cleaner.

    among freeware i can safely vouch for 'ccleaner'.
     
    anandk, Oct 20, 2007
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  7. Based on your totally undocumented highly biased inflammatory opinion.
    Thanks for sharing.
    Well duh, that points to the problem with your advice. If people
    already KNEW in advance what if anything was wrong or unnecessary in
    their Windows Registry then of course they wouldn't have any need for
    any Registry Clearer. Typical pompous overblown over the top useless
    grandstanding type of comment we see often in this newsgroup.
    Basically just another you're a dummy that don't know what you're
    doing, I do kind of "advise" that only serves to pump up the ego of
    the person offering it.

    The FACT is people don't know. Sorry, you don't either. I know that's
    true since the typical Registry runs tens of thousands of lines, so
    show me anybody claiming they know exactly what each line does and
    I'll show you a fool that's just shooting off his mouth.
    Typical fallacy building. You try to make it look like everyone using
    a Registry Cleaner will push some auto clean/fix button (bad choice)
    and thereby cause more harm than good. That is a false assumption not
    based on anything factual and is really just fear mongering designed
    to spread discreditable, misrepresentative information to induce fear
    and apprehension. Why do you want to do that?
    The typical Registry is also cluttered with tons of unnecessary junk,
    orphaned links, useless little or never used pointers. A good Registry
    Cleaner will list such things and give you the OPTION to delete as
    little or as much junk as you want. What you're doing is no better
    than Bush yelling terrorist, terrorist, we have to fight them over
    there so we don't have to fight them here kind of bullshit. Again it
    is fear mongering, nothing more.
    Oh here we go... the you're a dummy, I'm not stick. LOL!
    Ah... every time you put food in your mouth you assume the risk you
    might choke on it. Still people eat. Your over zealous trashing of
    Registry Cleaners in general based on your obvious dislike of them is
    the equlivant of saying people better be extra careful every time they
    eat. It's a bit overblown don't you think?
    Kindly give us any verifiable research to backup your OPINION. BTW,
    chicken soup has been clinically proven to actually offer relief and
    no it isn't a placebo effect. Ask if you care to learn why.
    That's funny. If that was true, there wouldn't be a thriving after
    market for all kinds of third party software that does all kinds of
    things Windows never could do right. For example decent file handling
    and a fast defrag utility and far better media players, converters,
    jointers/splitters compression, etc..
     
    Adam Albright, Oct 20, 2007
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  8. I do. That's why I advise people to make the backups and to very
    carefully follow any instructions provided for the solution of specific
    registry problems. Further, the chances of rendering a computer
    unbootable by manually editing a single, or even a few, individual
    registry entries are much less than those of doing damage using a
    registry "cleaner's" shotgun approach.


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    killed a great many philosophers.
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    Bruce Chambers, Oct 20, 2007
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  9. Oh, why? Especially when it's never been demonstrated that orphaned
    entries do any harm, or that using any registry "cleaner" does any good?
    What's the point?


    I disagree. Granted, CCleaner's registry scanner seems relatively
    benign, as long as you step through each detected "issue" one at a time,
    to determine if it really is an "issue" or not, and then decide whether
    or not to let the application "fix" it. In my testing, though, most of
    the reported "issues" won't be issues, at all. I tried the latest
    version on a brand-new OS installation with no additional applications
    installed, and certainly none installed and then uninstalled, and
    CCleaner still managed to "find" over a hundred allegedly orphaned
    registry entries and dozens of purportedly "suspicious" files. Its
    findings were utter nonsense, in plain terms.

    CCleaner's only real strength, and the only reason I use it, lies
    in its usefulness for cleaning up unused temporary files from the hard
    drive; as a registry "cleaner," it's not significantly different from
    any other snake oil product of the same type.


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    safety deserve neither liberty nor safety. ~Benjamin Franklin

    Many people would rather die than think; in fact, most do. ~Bertrand Russell

    The philosopher has never killed any priests, whereas the priest has
    killed a great many philosophers.
    ~ Denis Diderot
     
    Bruce Chambers, Oct 20, 2007
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  10. Based on the thread
    Leave it well alone. Just live
    with any errors like I do. Vista can handle it. This morning it seems
    to be working fine.
     
    Michael Yardley, Oct 20, 2007
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  11. Richard G. Harper, Oct 20, 2007
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  12. goorambatman

    NoStop Guest

    Most real OS's don't use a fscking "registry" you idiot. Only MickeyMouse's
    toy operating systems use such a silly system.

    Cheers.
     
    NoStop, Oct 21, 2007
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