Vista Retail Shortage?

Discussion in 'Windows Vista General Discussion' started by Justin, Jan 25, 2007.

  1. Justin

    Justin Guest

    Justin, Jan 25, 2007
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    Chad Harris Guest

    Justin you are so on.

    I know there will be Vista Ultimate parties from 10PM to 1AM at Best Buys,
    and other stores like Comp USA--but the essential ingredient for me is
    finding out if they will have open bars with the music. I want you to go to
    one near you and also I have a side bet which would involve the loser going
    to all the stores in your town and buying up every single left over edition
    of Vista? Are you game? LOL

    Invitation to the Vista Launch Celebrations


    What's the sound of one congressman clapping?

    Check out the Louis Libby Trial. It beats mud wrestling and Amature night
    at a stripper joint.

    Lying Like It's 2003
    By Frank Rich
    The New York Times
    Sunday 21 January 2007

    Those who forget history may be doomed to repeat it, but who could
    imagine we'd already be in danger of replaying that rotten year 2003?

    Scooter Libby, the mastermind behind the White House's bogus scenarios
    for ginning up the war in Iraq, is back at Washington's center stage,
    proudly defending the indefensible in a perjury trial. Ahmad Chalabi, the
    peddler of flawed prewar intelligence hyped by Mr. Libby, is back in clover
    in Baghdad, where he purports to lead the government's Shiite-Baathist
    reconciliation efforts in between visits to his pal Mahmoud Ahmadinejad in

    Last but never least is Mr. Libby's former boss and Mr. Chalabi's former
    patron, Dick Cheney, who is back on Sunday-morning television floating
    fictions about Iraq and accusing administration critics of aiding Al Qaeda.
    When the vice president went on a tear like this in 2003, hawking Iraq's
    nonexistent W.M.D. and nonexistent connections to Mohamed Atta, he set the
    stage for a war that now kills Iraqi civilians in rising numbers
    (34,000-plus last year) that are heading into the genocidal realms of
    Saddam. Mr. Cheney's latest sales pitch is for a new plan for "victory"
    promising an even bigger bloodbath.

    Mr. Cheney was honest, at least, when he said that the White House's
    Iraq policy would remain "full speed ahead!" no matter what happened on Nov.
    7. Now it is our patriotic duty - politicians, the press and the public
    alike - to apply the brakes. Our failure to check the administration when it
    rushed into Iraq in 2003 will look even more shameful to history if we roll
    over again for a reboot in 2007. For all the belated Washington scrutiny of
    the war since the election, and for all the heralded (if so far symbolic)
    Congressional efforts to challenge it, too much lip service is still being
    paid to the deceptive P.R. strategies used by the administration to sell its
    reckless policies. This time we must do what too few did the first time:
    call the White House on its lies. Lies should not be confused with
    euphemisms like "incompetence" and "denial."

    Mr. Cheney's performance last week on "Fox News Sunday" illustrates the
    problem; his lying is nowhere near its last throes. Asked by Chris Wallace
    about the White House's decision to overrule commanders who recommended
    against a troop escalation, the vice president said, "I don't think we've
    overruled the commanders." He claimed we've made "enormous progress" in
    Iraq. He said the administration is not "embattled." (Well, maybe that one
    is denial.)

    This White House gang is so practiced in lying with a straight face that
    it never thinks twice about recycling its greatest hits. Hours after Mr.
    Cheney's Fox interview, President Bush was on "60 Minutes," claiming that
    before the war "everybody was wrong on weapons of mass destruction" and that
    "the minute we found out" the W.M.D. didn't exist he "was the first to say
    so." Everybody, of course, was not wrong on W.M.D., starting with the United
    Nations weapons inspection team in Iraq. Nor was Mr. Bush the first to come
    clean once the truth became apparent after the invasion. On May 29, 2003 -
    two days after a secret Defense Intelligence Agency-sponsored mission found
    no biological weapons in trailers captured by American forces - Mr. Bush
    declared: "We found the weapons of mass destruction. We found biological

    But that's all W.M.D under the bridge. The most important lies to watch
    for now are the new ones being reiterated daily by the administration's top
    brass, from Mr. Bush and Mr. Cheney on down. You know fiasco awaits America
    when everyone in the White House is reading in unison from the same
    fictional script, as they did back in the day when "mushroom clouds" and
    "uranium from Africa" were the daily drumbeat.

    The latest lies are custom-made to prop up the new "way forward" that is
    anything but. Among the emerging examples is a rewriting of the history of
    Iraq's sectarian violence. The fictional version was initially laid out by
    Mr. Bush in his Jan. 10 prime-time speech and has since been repeated on
    television by both Mr. Cheney and the national security adviser, Stephen
    Hadley, last Sunday and by Mr. Bush again on PBS's "NewsHour" on Tuesday. It
    goes like this: sectarian violence didn't start spiraling out of control
    until the summer of 2006, after Sunni terrorists bombed the Golden Mosque in
    Samarra and forced the Shiites to take revenge.

    But as Mark Seibel of McClatchy Newspapers noted last week, "the
    president's account understates by at least 15 months when Shiite death
    squads began targeting Sunni politicians and clerics." They were visible in
    embryo long before that; The Times, among others, reported as far back as
    September 2003 that Shiite militias were becoming more radical, dangerous
    and anti-American. The reasons Mr. Bush pretends that Shiite killing started
    only last year are obvious enough. He wants to duck culpability for failing
    to recognize the sectarian violence from the outset - much as he failed to
    recognize the Sunni insurgency before it - and to underplay the
    intractability of the civil war to which he will now sacrifice fresh
    American flesh.

    An equally big lie is the administration's constant claim that it is on
    the same page as Prime Minister Nuri al-Maliki as we go full speed ahead.
    Only last month Mr. Maliki told The Wall Street Journal that he wished he
    "could be done with" his role as Iraq's leader "before the end of this
    term." Now we are asked to believe not merely that he is a strongman capable
    of vanquishing the death squads of the anti-American cleric Moktada al-Sadr,
    his political ally, but also that he can be trusted to produce the troops he
    failed to supply in last year's failed Baghdad crackdown. Yet as recently as
    November, there still wasn't a single Iraqi battalion capable of fighting on
    its own.

    Hardly a day passes without Mr. Maliki mocking the White House's
    professed faith in him. In the past week or so alone, he has presided over a
    second botched hanging (despite delaying it for more than two weeks to put
    in place new guidelines), charged Condi Rice with giving a "morale boost to
    the terrorists" because she criticized him, and overruled American
    objections to appoint an obscure commander from deep in Shiite territory to
    run the Baghdad "surge." His government doesn't even try to hide its greater
    allegiance to Iran. Mr. Maliki's foreign minister has asked for the release
    of the five Iranians detained in an American raid on an Iranian office in
    northern Iraq this month and, on Monday, called for setting up more Iranian
    "consulates" in Iraq.

    The president's pretense that Mr. Maliki and his inept, ill-equipped,
    militia-infiltrated security forces can advance American interests in this
    war is Neville Chamberlain-like in its naiveté and disingenuousness. An
    American military official in Baghdad read the writing on the wall to The
    Times last week: "We are implementing a strategy to embolden a government
    that is actually part of the problem. We are being played like a pawn."
    That's why the most destructive lie of all may be the White House's constant
    refrain that its doomed strategy is the only one anyone has proposed.
    Administration critics, Mr. Cheney said last Sunday, "have absolutely
    nothing to offer in its place," as if the Iraq Study Group, John Murtha and
    Joseph Biden-Leslie Gelb plans, among others, didn't predate the White
    House's own.

    In reality we're learning piece by piece that it is the White House that
    has no plan. Ms. Rice has now downsized the surge/escalation into an
    "augmentation," inadvertently divulging how the Pentagon is improvising,
    juggling small deployments in fits and starts. No one can plausibly explain
    how a parallel chain of command sending American and Iraqi troops into urban
    street combat side by side will work with Iraqis in the lead (it will report
    to a "committee" led by Mr. Maliki!). Or how $1 billion in new American
    reconstruction spending will accomplish what the $30 billion thrown down the
    drain in previous reconstruction spending did not.

    All of this replays 2003, when the White House refused to consider any
    plan, including existing ones in the Pentagon and State Department
    bureaucracies, for coping with a broken post-Saddam Iraq. Then, as at every
    stage of the war since, the only administration plan was for a propaganda
    campaign to bamboozle American voters into believing "victory" was just
    around the corner.

    The next push on the "way forward" propaganda campaign arrives Tuesday
    night, with the State of the Union address. The good news is that the
    Democrats have chosen Jim Webb, the new Virginia senator, to give their
    official response. Mr. Webb, a Reagan administration Navy secretary and the
    father of a son serving in Iraq, has already provoked a testy exchange about
    the war with the president at a White House reception for freshmen in
    Congress. He's the kind of guy likely to keep a scorecard of the lies on
    Tuesday night. But whether he does or not, it's incumbent on all those
    talking heads who fell for "shock and awe" and "Mission Accomplished" in
    2003 to not let history repeat itself in 2007. Facing the truth is the only
    way forward in Iraq.
    Chad Harris, Jan 25, 2007
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    JP Guest

    Vista parties at retail stores? How geeky is that?
    Just go to Amazon and order it.
    JP, Jan 25, 2007
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    Chad Harris Guest

    I was serious about the parties at the stores in the US--normally Best Buys
    closes at 9PM--so it will be interesting to know if these stores sell
    significant hardware that night/morning on the 29th and 30th. Amazon isn't
    going to have a band and prizes lol.

    I really don't know exactly how the packaging will be but I think I have
    it--one DVD in every edition but Ultimate--you have to send for the X64 in

    All the cities have a pro football team, lol, but not all of them have a
    coach right now and I believe the ones that don't might be getting a coach
    who was fired after he said he wanted to coach at the University of
    Washington--maybe so he could be closer to the Vista coders. That's called
    Right click>move.

    The NFL, Fox Sports, and two major retail chains are partners. Win Superbowl
    tickets, etc.

    Chad Harris, Jan 25, 2007
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    Justin Guest

    I'm impartial. I've already ordered my copy. A friend tried to hit that
    site (I gave him the link) and it was cut off. I found that rather odd. A
    DVD shortage? Wow! I figured MS could have churned out more then enough.

    It will certainly be interesting to see what happens.

    A few questions pop to mind. If Vista sells out then which is true?

    1. Vista is worthy of "positive" attention. Vista is in fact, "All That".
    2. All salesman/women are duping people into believing Vista is what they
    3. All Windows users are stupid for massing buying this product after all
    the warnings of the trolls in this NG.
    Justin, Jan 25, 2007
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    arachnid Guest

    $1 here, $1 there, and pretty soon you're talking some real money.
    arachnid, Jan 25, 2007
  7. The night Win98 went on sale my local CompUSA was jammed. Folks were
    filling up shopping carts with new computer hardware and spending thousands.
    I was completely out of place bopping in for my measely Win98 box.
    Colin Barnhorst, Jan 25, 2007
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    Nina DiBoy Guest

    Some think so.
    Which salespeople?
    LOL, could be.

    What if the release of Vista has xbox syndrome? (make much less supply
    than there is demand for)...

    Priceless quotes in group:

    "Good poets borrow; great poets steal."
    - T. S. Eliot
    Nina DiBoy, Jan 25, 2007
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    Justin Guest

    I can only speak for my area however Vista Ultimate was completely sold out!
    Home Premium as well. To this date you can't find Ultimate anywhere around
    my county.
    Justin, Feb 6, 2007
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    Chad Harris Guest

    Interesting. I bet they get them soon. Try the next county. Currently
    there are 39, 000 sales outlets for Visduh in the US of Duh the country who
    can't even debate Iraq and whose VP tried to chicken out in testifying in
    court this morning. If I were the prosecution I'd subpoena him to put the
    nail in the coffin and let him purjure himself.

    Microsoft's Vista Debut Wasn't Nearly So 'Wow' (sic VISDUH)

    February 5, 2007
    Microsoft's Vista Debut Wasn't Nearly So 'Wow'
    Television commercials for Microsoft's new Vista operating system show a
    spaceship taking off, a reindeer appearing in the middle of a suburban
    neighborhood and a man holding a piece of the Berlin wall.

    "Every so often you experience something so new, so delightfully unexpected,
    that there's only one word for it: Wow," a voice-over says.

    But there weren't many people saying "Wow" about Microsoft's marketing last
    week. Despite reportedly committing close to $500 million on its Vista
    marketing worldwide, Microsoft did not generate nearly the excitement last
    week as it did 12 years ago when the company introduced its 1995 operating
    system with rock singers and a Super Bowl tie-in.

    This time around, Microsoft focused much more of its efforts on an outlet
    that was less common in 1995: the Internet. And, now that computers are
    integrated in most people's lives, Microsoft sought to relay the product
    details of Vista rather than the "high concepts" of 1995, said J. B.
    Williams, general manager of global communications for Windows.

    "The assignment in '95 was that we had to convince people the PC mattered
    and it was going to be part of their life," Mr. Williams said. "Now people
    are doing this. They're living this digital lifestyle today already."

    Offline, however, the product introduction may have stumbled in trying to
    generate excitement with midnight store openings for Vista. Recently, the
    introduction of game consoles like Nintendo Wii and Sony PlayStation 3 drew
    crowds to stores for a day or more before the consoles went on sale. But
    within 40 minutes of selling Vista for the first time, CompUSA on Fifth
    Avenue in New York already saw its line wane to a trickle.

    Long lines for new products can have a positive effect on sales by
    generating news coverage that persuades consumers that they, too, should
    rush out to buy something. Consumers are more likely to buy based on product
    mentions in news content than on advertising, said Steven J. Farella,
    president and chief executive of TargetCast, an ad agency in New York.

    Many marketers have bolstered their public relations efforts in recent years
    and replaced some of their traditional advertising with events or stunts
    that the press is likely to cover, like Bill Gates's appearance on Comedy
    Central's "The Daily Show With Jon Stewart." This reflects a shift in
    mentality from a top-down approach to a groundswell strategy, Mr. Farella

    This time around, Microsoft also faced consumers who spend their free time
    with a vastly different array of media and entertainment devices.

    "It's harder to get people's attention now because of media fragmentation
    and audience distraction, and it's easier for people to ignore you," said
    Chuck Porter, the chairman of Crispin Porter + Bogusky. "Mass media to a
    degree doesn't exist anymore."

    Mr. Porter said many advertisers now focus on finding prime customers rather
    than blitzing all consumers.

    In the online aspects of its campaign, Microsoft took a narrow approach. The
    company focused on three groups of Internet users with different interactive

    For young consumers who like to spend time on social networking sites, Vista
    introduced a Web site featuring the comedian Demetri Martin. Young people
    online did take a liking to Mr. Martin - his page lists more
    than 80,000 friends. Microsoft also sponsored a tour for Mr. Martin and a
    special on Comedy Central.

    For more technically minded consumers, Microsoft created a puzzle game
    called Vanishing Point with online and offline events and clues; 90,000
    people played the game, Mr. Williams of Microsoft said.

    For a broader audience, Microsoft created a site for people to post photos
    and videos of amazing moments - or as Microsoft called it, "Wow" moments.
    About 20,000 people did so.

    Retail analysts said they were not worried about Vista sales in the long
    run, despite the lack of apparent excitement. For one, they said, Vista is
    available in large quantities whereas the sought-out game consoles were
    produced in limited supply.

    Also, Vista was available at 39,000 store locations last Tuesday, while
    Windows 95 was introduced at far fewer stores, which made crowds at any
    given location bigger, said Christopher Swenson, director of software and
    industry analysis for the NPD Group.

    Mr. Swenson also said that thousands of people ordered Vista through Amazon.

    "People can get it overnighted to them and delivered to their office," Mr.
    Swenson said. "Why would anybody go out in the freezing cold to a retailer?"
    Chad Harris, Feb 6, 2007
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    Chuck Guest

    Chad, you are very verbose in this newsgroup, and sometimes you have
    something worth reading. Please refrain from the politics though, as well
    as the war, so that I don't have to plunk you. This is not the forum for
    politics, thank you.
    Chuck, Feb 7, 2007
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    Justin Guest

    I decided to hold my tongue but...yeah.

    Justin, Feb 7, 2007
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