Vista Startup

Discussion in 'Windows Vista Performance' started by grsode, Jan 14, 2008.

  1. grsode

    grsode Guest

    I have just puchased my first Windows Vista computer - an HP laptop. I have
    purchased at leat five laptops since 2000 so I am familiar with setup and
    comfortable with installations etc. I have three questions here.

    1. My last computer had Windows XP and an 80 gb hard drive with 70 gb full
    - After copying the data only (55 GB) to my new 250 gb hard drive I have
    only 107 GB remaining of the 222 GB C drive partition. I have not yet added
    many programs. That tells me that Vista must be using 50-60 GB or more of
    the drive. Can that be correct?

    2. My new computer takes 5-6 minutes to start up. After two minutes I get
    the welcome screen. Then the monitor goes black for a full two minutes
    before continuing the startup process. Is this normal for Vista?

    3. Occasionally the monitor goes dark for a few seconds and a window pops
    up saying the display driver has failed but is back. Is this normal?

    I certainly gained no speed with this new computer. There are many things I
    like about Vista. Since I have no previous experience with owning it I am
    trying to sort out if this computer is a lemon that should be returned or if
    I should just put up with the downside.

    Any help would be appreciated.
    grsode, Jan 14, 2008
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    peter Guest

    Vista does not take 50 to 60 GB of space...but the added programs that HP
    put on it might.
    Then there is the Hibernation File..The Space reserved for system
    recovery...the page file....
    Check to see what goodies and free trial software HP was nice enough to push
    onto your HD...and get rid of it

    That is a long start up time and as such you will need to check what exactly
    is starting in the same way as you would check when you had
    XP...Start/Run/ well as Task Manger.Anything you feel you don’t
    need to start ...find the path and stop it.Anything your not sure about do a
    Google on the name. Maybe your Anti Virus is set to run every time you

    I would go to the HP website and look for an updated Vista display
    driver...or at least reinstall the present one.

    Good Luck with your new purchase of Vista
    peter, Jan 14, 2008
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    Dave T. Guest

    If you have "HP Total Care Advisor" starting at boot-up, disable it. I
    collects a lot of information together that you don't need and takes a
    long time to load.

    Dave T.

    "Many people die at twenty-five and aren't buried
    until they are seventy-five".
    Benjamin Franklin
    Dave T., Jan 14, 2008
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    Victek Guest

    I have just puchased my first Windows Vista computer - an HP laptop. I
    As others have said you need to have a look at the Auto Startup items and
    cull them. Regarding the display driver failure, try checking the Windows
    update site for a new display driver. You may also be able to download a
    newer driver from the manufacturer's web site. Check to see which video
    adapter you have (look in the device manager) then check or, etc. Regarding the disk space issue, be aware that Vista uses a
    lot of disk space for it's System Restore and Shadow Copy feature.
    Unfortunately, there doesn't appear to be a way to limit it as there is in
    XP, however you can delete all the old System Restore points to recover disk
    space - there's a button to do this on the "other options" tab in "disk
    cleanup". Last, check the size of the internet explorer cache. By default
    this is ridiculously large (multiple gigs). I keep mine set to 100 megs.
    Hope this helps.
    Victek, Jan 14, 2008
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    JW Guest

    Since it is a laptop do not install display drivers from the display chip
    manufacturers website or from WinUpdate only install the latest drivers from
    the Laptop Manufacturers Website since laptop manufacturers normally modify
    the display driver sauce code they get from the from the chip manufacturers
    in order to work better with their custom designed motherboards.
    JW, Jan 14, 2008
  6. grsode

    grsode Guest

    Thanks to all of you for your help. It has given me some good info with
    which to make my decision!
    grsode, Jan 14, 2008
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    river trash Guest

    I have 2 Gig of RAM memory. When I look at my Resource Monitor in Vista, I
    am using about 1 Gig. The cached memory is around 1.4 Gig. Free memory is
    near nothing. It is usually about 15 Meg and it drops to zero. It looks like
    my hard drive is pretty active and I may be accessing virtual memory while
    downloading videos. I think that I should try reducing the size of the cache
    memory. I have tried cleaning cache memory and that doesn't seem to make any

    I found out how to modify the amount of virtual memory, but not the cache
    memory. Thanks.
    river trash, Mar 10, 2008
  8. grsode

    Victek Guest

    Victek, how do you change the size of the internet explorer cache? I have
    Assuming you're using IE, open the control panel and then open internet
    options. On the General Tab in the middle where it says Browsing History
    click on the settings button - there you will be able to set the maximum
    space IE should use to cache its' data. You could also try defragging your
    hard drive to see if it improves video playback.
    Victek, Mar 10, 2008
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    river trash Guest

    I called up the Performance monitor that is in task manager. When only IE is
    running, the Physical memory is at 2045 total, 1521 cached, and 15 free.
    Physical memory usage is at 716 MB. Total Kernel memory is 141. Handles are
    18525 and threads are 782. CPU, Disk, and Network usages are all very low.
    When I try to download a video, these numbers don't change much, but you see
    more disk activity.

    Does anything look wrong here? I still think that I have a problem with the
    amount of free memory being so low. Also, I couldn't find any help info about
    handles and threads, but they seem kind of high to me. I can see some threads
    listed in the CPU portion of the Resource Monitor, but the total number is
    not near as high. Could the high cache memory be coming from somewhere else
    other than internet use?

    Also, as a side note, when I looked at the cache memory size through IE, it
    also allows me to view the temporary files which it says are located on my C:
    drive. When I "view files" it brings me to the "Temporary Internet Files"
    folder. I can see that there are a few files there and I can clean them out
    by deleting them through internet options. The weird thing is that when I
    look at the folder properties it says it has a bunch of folders and is at 650
    MB even after being cleaned without anything visible in it. Also, I can't
    find "Temporary Internet Files" folder by using Windows Explorer, only by
    viewing the files through IE. It gives me the location of the folder, but I
    can't find it. Maybe they are stored in a combination of disk and RAM space
    and this is OK or maybe something else is hosed here also.

    Thanks for your help. I am trying to find out if I have a problem with
    memory use or if I need to search elsewhere to fix my streaming video problem.
    river trash, Mar 10, 2008
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    Victek Guest

    Assuming you're using IE, open the control panel and then open internet
    In order to see the temporary internet files folder (TIFF) in the Vista
    Explorer you need to unhide hidden files and protected operating system
    files in folder options. I prefer to use Windows Commander (my favorite
    file manager) to view hidden files and folders - it's easier and I don't
    have to change Explorer settings. To fully delete the TIFF I recommend
    CCleaner. It's free and it deletes the folders and Index.DAT file as well
    as the data.

    Regarding free memory, no matter how much RAM you put in the machine Windows
    will dedicate what isn't being used by applications to it's RAM cache
    (different than the IE disk cache). The extra RAM doesn't appear to be
    free, but Windows makes it available to applications when they ask for it.
    Two gigs of RAM is adequate for Vista in my experience - lack of ram should
    not be the cause of the video playback issue as long as you don't have
    multiple applications open that are hogging ram.

    You could try a third party defragger like PerfectDisk (free fully
    functional thirty day trial-ware from ) which will
    defrag the page file and other system files that the Vista defrag program
    will not touch. You could also try a different browser to see if it makes a
    difference. I use Firefox and Maxthon - sometimes video playback is better
    in one or the other though I couldn't say why. Hopefully some of this will
    help. By the way, what security applications are you using?
    Victek, Mar 11, 2008
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    river trash Guest

    The one thing that I haven't tried yet is mess around with my security
    stuff. What I have running is McAfee firewall and phishing protection.
    Windows firewall is turned off. Also running is McAfee virus scan and Windows
    Defender. Last weekend I put on Spybot S&D. I haven't really experienced any
    problems with McAfee and Vista. The only problems I've had are a couple of
    stuck messages in my email. I've heard a lot of horror stories on Microsoft
    Communities about compatibility issues. It sounds like Avast is a good
    program to use. Since I think I have been pretty problem free, I have been a
    little nervous about changing my protection. I would appreciate any
    recommendations that you would have.

    I don't want to bore you too much, but I did try one other thing to see if
    it would make a difference for streaming video. The high speed internet that
    I have is broadcast from a radio tower to my modem. For reception, the modem
    is located upstairs. The computer is downstairs. The connection between
    upstairs and downstairs was through two units that were plugged into the
    house electrical outlets. I recently found out that that highest speed I was
    getting with that configuration was 500 kbps. Last weekend, I went wireless
    and I am now getting anywhere from 1100 to 2000 kbps. Tonight, just to make
    sure that I wasn't getting any interference on the wireless, I strung a cable
    through the house to temporarily hardwire the modem to the computer. Wireless
    and hardwired performed about the same. Streaming video performance has been
    about the same regardless of the slow or faster configurations.
    river trash, Mar 12, 2008
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    Victek Guest

    In order to see the temporary internet files folder (TIFF) in the Vista
    I asked about security applications because some people load up on them and
    that can cause system slowdowns, but that's not a problem in your case.
    Although I prefer different apps I wouldn't recommend them as a possible fix
    for the streaming video issue. If you play video clips directly from the
    hard drive do they play smoothly?
    Victek, Mar 12, 2008
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    river trash Guest

    I also saw somewhere in an earlier discussion about a couple of people
    loaded an earlier version for their LAN driver and it helped their download
    speed. I'm not using the same LAN card as they were and I'm not using my LAN
    card now. Since I have wireless, I am using a USB adapter. Could USB be
    slower? There are times that I can see a video buffering, the LED on my USB
    wireless adapter is not flashing like it is not active, and I am not seeing
    any network activity on the performance monitor.

    I have seen other discussions about XP working faster than Vista. I would
    hate to buy the older software and install everything. My problems haven't
    been too bad, I would have to be more desperate to go to that extreme. I
    still think that I should be able to get better performance with what I have.
    Hopefully, without wasting a lot of time.

    Thanks for you continued suggestions.
    river trash, Mar 16, 2008
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    Victek Guest

    I asked about security applications because some people load up on themSSL 2.0 and SSL 3.0 have to do with security for https sites (online
    banking, online purchasing, etc.) I don't see how disabling them would help
    video - I would keep them enabled for security. Since video plays well from
    the hard disk it does sound like a network issue. You could around for a
    newer (or older) driver for your LAN card to see if that makes a difference.
    Regarding USB LAN adapters I can't say from experience if there's a
    significant performance difference compared with a PC Card adapter, but if
    you can get one that's something you could try.

    For what it's worth I do see better performance in XP when I watch streaming
    TV shows on I dual boot XP and Vista. If it's important enough
    you could create the same setup - you just need a license key for XP and XP
    compatible drivers for your hardware. I think dual booting is a better
    solution then having just one or the other OS at the moment.
    Victek, Mar 17, 2008
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