Vista Ultimate x86 or x64 will not install to SATA drives - ok to IDE

Discussion in 'Windows Vista Installation' started by BobS, Feb 2, 2007.

  1. BobS

    BobS Guest

    Subject line states the problem and before anyone suggests that I need to
    install the SATA drivers during the install process - I have. Have tried
    both the 32 and 64 bit drivers.

    Hardware:

    Asus A8N32-SLI Deluxe motherboard
    AMD Athalon X2
    2Gb memory
    WDC Raptor 74Gb 10Krpm drives on SATA (x2)
    Seagate EIDE drives (x2)
    GeForce 6800 graphic cards (x2)

    During install, Vista does install to the SATA drive but when it goes to
    first boot, it reboots then comes up to a black screen - no error messages.
    I believe Vista is not recognizing the SATA drives (Sil 3132 SATA controller
    on Asus mb) even though the drivers were loaded during the install process.

    Have tried both the 32 and 64 bit Vista installs using the correct SATA
    drivers and even without installing the SATA drivers during the install
    process, I get the same result.

    Now I'm thinking it's Vista not recognizing the SATA drives because if I
    load Vista to a standard EIDE drive - it works just fine. When I look at
    the system, Vista does not see the SATA drives until after you do the first
    update and it does download a Sil 3132 update. Then it finds all the SATA
    drives.

    So even though the drivers are loaded up-front, Vista doesn't appear to
    "retain" them. I've done numerous clean installs and dual boot scenarios
    and it's the same story - blank screen after first reboot, no error
    messages. I've reformatted the drive used to install Vista after each
    attempt.

    I've checked all the manf sites for info and I haven't read about anyone
    else here not being able to load to SATA drives.

    One thing I haven't tried is pulling an ATI TV tuner card I have installed.
    I would think it would just come up as an unknown device and press on, but
    then again.

    Any suggestions short of booting this thing into next week........;-)

    Thanks,

    Bob S.
     
    BobS, Feb 2, 2007
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  2. BobS

    Carlos Guest

    Unplug the two EIDE drives until you are done with the installation.
    Plug them later on.
    I could not get Vista to install (ASUS A8N-SLI) on my two SATA raid0 disks
    because of the presence of a third SATA (non raid disk).
    I experimented your very same problems on reboot.
    Unplugged the SATA disk, proceeded with install, plugged the SATA disk.
    Carlos
     
    Carlos, Feb 2, 2007
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  3. BobS

    BobS Guest

    Carlos,

    Good idea and I'll try that shortly. Funny thing is WinXP Pro can be
    installed to a SATA drive - no problem....

    I'll do a follow-up post.

    Thanks,

    Bob S.
     
    BobS, Feb 2, 2007
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  4. Actually, I had the same problem. I had 1 EIDE drive and the rest were SATA,
    but Vista would never install. Turns out, I had the same problem when I
    re-install XP with SP2 integrated. In both cases, unplugging the 1 IDE drive
    worked fine.

    On a side note, I did have 2 IDE drives that went through a Promise Fast
    track 2000 card, and those did not cause the problem. Just the 1 drive on
    the MoBo's EIDE controler
     
    Dale Mad_Murdock White, Feb 2, 2007
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  5. BobS

    BobS Guest

    Well I'm at a loss as to why I can't get Vista to run on a SATA drive. Had
    the system minimized down to only 2 SATA drives, one with WinXP Pro on it,
    the other for Vista. Goes thru all the motions (no error codes) and says it
    completed the install then reboots - and black screen after that.

    Turned everything off in the BIOS that I could (and still run) disconnected
    cables and power from the other drives, have the latest Asus BIOS (1303),
    latest Sil 3132 SATA drivers for both 32/64 bit versions and it loads them
    in fine. Obviously Vista installer can work with the SATA drives since
    that's all that was connected besides the DVD drive.

    Reconfiguring the system and I'll reload Vista 64 on a spare EIDE drive
    (dual-boot) so I can get it up and running so I can start checking what
    programs will or will not run. Anyone got the MS phone number handy? I'm
    sure there's about a 2 hour hold (minimum).......

    Thanks for your suggestions,

    Bob S.
     
    BobS, Feb 2, 2007
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  6. BobS

    Carlos Guest

    Carlos, Feb 2, 2007
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  7. Well, your problem is definately something else. Mine was at teh Pick a
    drive to isntall screen. No matter what drive I picked, it would tell me
    that drive was not acceptable to Vista. XP would just hang at the drive
    options.
     
    Dale M. White, Feb 2, 2007
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  8. BobS

    BobS Guest

    Carlos,

    That is an interesting find and I'll give it a go - latter. Right now the
    system is in the final throws of loading the x64 version onto an EIDE drive.
    Sure has been a couple of long days with Vista but I've learned quite a bit.
    I'm sure there will be some more patches and updates from all the vendors
    just to make it even more interesting.I think I have tried just about every
    variation/combination that there is. Even made Vista backup recovery
    images - works fine.

    Oh boy.....the message..."please wait while windows prepares to start for
    the first time" just popped up on the other system - we now have "completing
    upgrade" and we now have a bit of a wait....

    This works fine on the EIDE so for now we're gonna be up and running Vista
    x64 even though it's not on one of the Raptor drives.

    Now if you can just find me a little magic SATA dust to sprinkle on this box
    we'll be in business. Thank you for your help it is greatly appreciated. I
    think you nailed the problem I suspected but couldn't prove.

    Bob S.
     
    BobS, Feb 3, 2007
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  9. They weren't FAT32 were they?
     
    Hugh Wyn Griffith, Feb 3, 2007
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  10. BobS

    chinolam Guest

    Bob, I have the same problem you did with black screen.
    When you successfully installed Vista on the EIDE, did you install through
    XP or as a bootup?

    I know if I try to do the bootup, it has "loading Windows Files" and
    progress bar then goes to black screen on any single drive (EIDE or SATA)
    hooked up. Only furthest was installing in XP, then it rebooted and went to
    black after the dual boot menu. Black for both trying to boot to XP and
    Vista.

    Wanted to know if you got it to work only installing on EIDE through XP,
    before I waste another couple of hours clearing out an old drive.
    Thanks.
     
    chinolam, Feb 3, 2007
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  11. Oh No ! I even let Vista delete the partition and format it. For whatever
    reason, no matter what drive I picked, if the IDE drive was plugged into the
    MOBO, it wouldn't allow me to install vista
     
    Dale \Mad_Murdock\ White, Feb 3, 2007
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  12. BobS

    BobS Guest

    I've done it both ways - several times making hardware changes along the way
    and taking notes. But.... stopped taking notes after many configuration
    changes. I was doing this on a minimized hardware configuration and was not
    getting any differences. So I turned everything back on in the BIOS and
    installed all my drives (4x SATA, 2x EIDE, 2xDVD's). Did an image recovery
    of WinXP since I had glitched it - or Vista did but at any rate, got back to
    an original configuration - fully loaded box with WinXP Pro on a SATA drive.

    All my install attempts were to seperate drive whether it was a SATA or EIDE
    drive, I did not want to partition on a Raptor 74Gb drive with XP. So I
    installed anothe Raptor that was intended just for Vista 32 bit version and
    yet another Raptor to be used for testing x64 version. I'm testing with the
    upgrade version of Vista Ultimate - signature edition (hey it was the last
    one on the shelf at Best Buy for the same price as the peon version...;-)

    1. The attempt to place Vista on a SATA drive with the 32 bit version of
    Vista - upgrading WinXP - mangled WinXP after the install did not work and I
    selected the rollback option - not a good choice upon reflection.....
    Re-imaged the drive - back to square one....

    2. The next attempt was same hardware but this time using the 64 bit
    version. You cannot do an upgrade and must do a clean install. This didn't
    work either - black screen. Did the rollback - it glitched the bootloader,
    I re-imaged the drive - back to square one. Starting to see a trend here?

    3. Same configuration, clean install this time by booting from the DVD and
    loading it onto the EIDE drive connected to IDE 0. Worked fine and I had a
    dual-boot system.

    4. Cleaned that out - back to square one. Pulled the WinXP SATA drive and
    reformatted the Vista drive. Clean machine - no operating system installed.
    Did the boot DVD thing, using the clean install method of loading Vista over
    itself (second load) and that worked.

    Now between each of those major tests - were a number of minor variations on
    hardware and whether I used WinXP or not. Essentially, for testing purposes
    (and not entering product key) you can treat the upgrade package as a full
    version if you want to do a clean install - which is all you can do if
    you're using the 64 bit version. Then do an in-place upgrade from Vista and
    load the product key on the second load. I tried this several times - works
    fine and it retains all the stuff I did to Vista on the 1st load (clean
    install) to the final (in-place) upgrade using Vista.

    Did I do all the possible variations ? No, I did not upgrade WinXP using
    the 32 bit version of Vista from within WinXP but I did do the clean install
    from within WinXP and made a dual-boot system. Now before anyone jumps on
    me saying that's not allowed (legally) there's lot's going for it (and much
    discussion) and there's nothing in the EULA - against it. You can use only
    one operating system at a time, the Vista install routines allow it (it's a
    choice) and the install routines do not disable WinXP. I'm sure this will
    be a point of contention with someone but MS made the rules and I, like many
    others, just did what the program offered up. No cheating work-arounds, no
    fraud, paid my money and bought the full family option too.

    As with any new OS and being an early adopter, there's going to be trials
    and tribulations. I knew that and have been learning a lot too. Even some
    of the MSVP's are stumped on a lot of the issues and there's conflicting
    information coming from MS. Hell - there's even wrong product keys being
    given out by MS. Just got another notice and new product keys for the
    additional licensses I purchased. Overall, I like what I've seen so far of
    Vista (bugs not withstanding) and in due course all the responsible vendors
    will get their drivers fixed - or loose market share. Can't wait to see all
    the new shareware and freeware applications that this will generate! Might
    even write one or two myself (now where is that old book on assembly
    language coding anyway...)

    Bob S.
     
    BobS, Feb 3, 2007
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  13. No ideas I'm afraid.
     
    Hugh Wyn Griffith, Feb 3, 2007
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  14. I have an Asus K8N mobo, and am having the exact same problem (blank
    screen with flashing cursor after reboot) after installing Vista
    Ultimate OEM onto a maxtor 200gig SATA drive. (clean install from the
    DVD, only other drive attached is the dvd rom from which I am
    installing)

    This is the first time I’ve bothered to buy a licensed copy of
    windows.... and will likely be the last. :mad:

    Does anyone know exactly what is going wrong? or even better how to
    fix it!
    Is Vista failing to create a correct mbr on the sata drive?

    [edit]

    I have just tried installing Vista onto my 300gig pata drive
    instead...
    It still fails in the same place (when trying to boot from the HD,
    after first reboot), but gives an error this time:-
    "A disk read error occured
    press Ctrl+Alt+Del to restart"

    The repair functionality available when booting from the DVD doesn’t
    find anything wrong, and I can explore the file system of the drive
    Vista is installed onto just fine. (as I could when it was installed
    on the SATA drive)

    I’m beginning to think Vista doesn’t work correctly with the ata
    controller used on my mobo??? (XP SP1 CD worked fine, never tried
    installing direct from an SP2 CD)
    The mobo is flashed to the latest available firmware (Rev. 1011 Beta
    005), and the rest of my system is pretty standard :-

    Athlon 64 3000+,
    Asus K8N,
    2gb ddr,
    GeForce 6800GT 256mb.

    One observation that might be a sign of something more serious being
    screwed/incompatible; during the Vista installation at several points
    the machine appears to lock-up for upto 3 minutes with no visual
    feedback of progress. (the mouse cursor still moves though)
    The freezes occur;
    1) when the installation screen background first appears (the blue
    vertical wavey pattern)
    2) after entering the product key
    3) the dialog for selecting which Vista installation you wish to
    repair (when performing a repair.)
     
    TehJumpingJawa, Feb 19, 2007
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  15. BobS

    BobS Guest

    I made a follow-up post as to the root cause for my problem. Short version:

    Get a copy of FDISK, put it on a bootable floppy and FDISK the drive you're
    having a problem with. Then boot from the Vista DVD and have it format the
    drive, then continue with the install.

    My other post gave more info but the above is the bottom line fix action.
    I'm using that drive right now.

    Bob S.




     
    BobS, Feb 19, 2007
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  16. That's interesting. I have the K8N ultra motherboard and I've installed
    Vista about 8 times so far.

    My primary drive is a 72 gig SATA raptor, which I use for XP. I then have a
    300GB Seagate 7220.9 driver which I partition in half and on 1 partition I
    have Vista32 and on the other Partition I haveVista64. I have 3 other SATA
    drives connected and to EIDE DVD drives.

    The only time I ran into issues with the install was when I had a IDE drive
    connected to the motherboard. everytime I picked a drive to install to, Vita
    would say that drive is not acceptable. Once I unplugged the lone IDE drive
    from the motherboard (I had two other IDE drives via a Promise Fast Track
    2000 controller) The install went fine.

    Maybe it's because I have the Raptor first and the Vista disk is actually
    3rd (on the 3rd sata port). I've only done full installs, not upgrades
    here.


     
    Dale \Mad_Murdock\ White, Feb 19, 2007
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  17. BobS

    FastCC Guest

    Thanks!
    I have almost the same config as you BobS and finally I managed to install
    32bit Vista on a EIDE drive.
    Not ideal, but it works!
     
    FastCC, Mar 5, 2007
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