Vista VERY slow for 10 minutes after startup.

Discussion in 'Windows Vista Performance' started by dpwilli, Jun 28, 2007.

  1. dpwilli

    dpwilli Guest

    My wife recently purchased an Acer Aspire 5100 Notebook for her work which
    came preinstalled with Vista Home Premium. At first everything seemed fine
    with it, then after a few weeks she started noticing that after startup,
    vista was virtually unresponsive for about 10-15 minutes. After that time
    everything ran fine. There has been only one application installed on the
    computer, but is not running at system startup and is not launched
    immediately after startup, so I don't think it could be causing the problem.

    System Specs:
    Acer Aspire 5100 Notebook
    Preinstalled Vista Home Priemium
    1GB RAM
    80 GB HD
    Radeon ATI Xpress 1100 Graphics Card

    Steps taken:
    My first thought was that it needed more RAM. Of the original gig, 1/3 of
    it was being reserved for video memory. It had two 512mb sodimms in it, so I
    removed one and added an additional gig, bringing me to 1.5 gigs of RAM.

    RESULT: Did not notice any significant improvement as a aresult.

    I then ran many of the Vista performance utilities to see if the OS was
    detecting any major problems and there were none.

    Next, I ran msconfig and disabled the majority of the startup applications
    as well as a handful of services which I knew were not needed. Still no
    improvement.

    I disabled Aero and turned off all of the windows visual effects. No
    improvement.

    Task manager doesn't show any processes utilizing excesive amounts of
    processor time or memory. Although, I have noticed that the Task Manager
    tends to freeze up durning this initial post-boot lag time. So it could be
    that it's just not getting updated.

    I'm going to try and start it in safe mode to see if that helps. But if
    anyone has any suggestions, or knows of any specific services or startup apps
    that could be causing this, please let me know.

    Thanks,

    dpwilli
     
    dpwilli, Jun 28, 2007
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  2. dpwilli

    Mac Guest

    Look in task manager to see which processes are consuming cpu during this
    period, and add columns for disk activity to see which processes are
    thrashing the drives. Then you will be one step closer to understanding what
    is going on...
     
    Mac, Jun 28, 2007
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  3. dpwilli

    dpwilli Guest

    Mac,
    Thanks for the suggestion. I have looked at CPU utilization, but the task
    manager isn't updating during this time so all running processes are showing
    reasonable (< 10 - 20 % utilization). I haven't tried the disk activity
    column though. I'll give that a try and post the results. Thanks for the
    suggestion, and keep 'em coming.

    dpwill
     
    dpwilli, Jun 28, 2007
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  4. dpwilli

    justbob30 Guest

    This is not normal, if you are sure there is no virus/spyware take it back
    to where it came from & let them fix or replace it.
     
    justbob30, Jun 28, 2007
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  5. dpwilli

    Mac Guest

    It should update during that time! Check in Event Viewer to see if there is
    anything being recorded during that period... Start/Orb, type Event, click
    on Event Viewer.

    Also in task manager sort the rows by clicking on the top of the cpu or disk
    columns to see the highest activity...
     
    Mac, Jun 28, 2007
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  6. dpwilli

    R. C. White Guest

    Hi, dpwilli.

    Mac's suggestions are right on!

    We often hear complaints that Vista is slow at first, but then gets better
    after a few days, as the Indexing Service completes the initial Index. To
    see if this might be the problem, click Control Panel | Indexing Options and
    see if it says "Indexing complete", or that it is "reduced due to user
    activity", or similar language. Indexing is SUPPOSED to work in the
    background and be almost unnoticed - and it does, AFTER it finishes building
    the initial Index. Of course, it has to get to work again if we add a lot
    of new content to the hard drive, such as a lot of new emails or newsgroup
    messages, or importing a lot of files, especially text files, that need to
    be indexed.

    RC
    --
    R. C. White, CPA
    San Marcos, TX

    Microsoft Windows MVP
    (Running Windows Live Mail beta in Vista Ultimate x64)
     
    R. C. White, Jun 28, 2007
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  7. dpwilli

    Kerry Brown Guest

    If none of the suggestions you've received pan out check your security
    programs. Some antivirus and antispyware programs do a scan on startup.
     
    Kerry Brown, Jun 29, 2007
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  8. dpwilli

    dpwilli Guest

    Ok, so what is considered normal for Disk I/O Reads & writes?

    I've got my anti-virus software doing 17,000,000 I/O Read Bytes. Windows
    Explorer is doing 3,000,000 read bytes, but has 17,000,000 'I/O Other Bytes'.
    Do any of those seem excessive? CPU Utilization remains normal and physical
    memory is steady around 26%. Still having the same issue. 10 minutes or so
    nothing will run, then all of a sudden everything is fine. No issues listed
    under performance issues.

    By the way, this is a 64 bit machine. Any reason that could be causing a
    problem?
     
    dpwilli, Jul 3, 2007
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  9. dpwilli

    R. C. White Guest

    Hi, dpwilli.
    I have no idea. :>( I've never had any need to observe or investigate
    these stats.
    The first thing that comes to mind is heat. Some piece of hardware inside
    the case shrinks when cool and no longer functions properly. After
    power-on, it takes 10 minutes for it to come up to operating temperature, or
    to expand enough to make or firm up a critical connection. The hard drive
    cables would be prime suspects.

    Have you discussed this with Acer, or the vendor who sold you the notebook?
    Is it too late for a replacement under warranty?

    I probably can't help with this problem, dpwilli. Please post back when you
    get it figured out and let us know. Good luck!

    RC
    --
    R. C. White, CPA
    San Marcos, TX

    Microsoft Windows MVP
    (Running Windows Live Mail beta in Vista Ultimate x64)
     
    R. C. White, Jul 3, 2007
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  10. dpwilli

    fer Guest

    Hi.

    i have the same problem.

    My machine
    Ram 4 gb
    Video Nvidia geforce 8800 GTx
    Cpu intel Core2 Quad 2.66
    Board MSI P6n Sli Platinun

    in vista ultima 32 bit the boot is perfect time, but when i upgrade to 64
    bit, is a very slow boot ( about 7 minutes), i have a teory about the drivers
    of the board.

    but also is slow when i run vista 64, is dirvers problem ?
     
    fer, Jul 7, 2007
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  11. dpwilli

    Charlie Tame Guest


    It very well could be the drivers for the board, and I doubt there's
    much you can do except look on the manufacturer's website for updates.
    Of course you can't do that without an OS and maybe you can't install
    the drivers with the OS in place without changing some BIOS setting so
    see if you can find anything related to BIOS settings when you visit. Of
    course video drivers can affect other things too but it sounds like you
    have have tried some things already.
     
    Charlie Tame, Jul 7, 2007
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    fusiooon Guest

    I have a acer 5103.

    Turion TL-52 1.6 GHZ
    2GB RAM
    ATI Radeon X1300

    I've been using vista on this machine for a year without any problems,
    had it all tweaked out and just when everything was good (I think it was
    after a windows update restart...) it took vista in the range of 10
    minutes to load up and become usable. I thought it might have just been
    the updates but ever since I've been experiencing this problem. Before
    the whole boot up process from pressing the power button to usability
    took just under 2 minutes, now it takes 10-15. After the 15 minute boot
    everything works as it should, just like before. I've been trying
    everything to get this resolved. It has been a month now and I fear the
    only way to get vista working properly will be a format and installation
    of windows. Things I've done:

    Uninstalled unnecessary programs
    Defraged hard drives (did a boot defrag)
    Cleaned the registry
    Defraged the registry
    Got rid of all but necessary startup programs (about 9 running now)
    Cleared the drives of all unnecessary files, temp data
    Cleared the pagefile
    Deleted hibernation file

    after this I redefraged in a way so all files would be contiguous.
    Nothing helped. I know it's a problem with vista because I can run any
    old linux distribution and it runs like a dream. I really don't want to
    reinstall windows, for one, acer is so kind and don't even give you the
    windows CD with the notebook, just a lame "factory setting backup
    CD/DVD" you can make yourself but I've got windows and all my programs
    set up the way I want and it has taken me a year to have it this. The
    only thing I haven't done is gone and reinstall all the drivers, because
    usually this does more harm than good.
    So I hope someone could help me.
     
    fusiooon, Oct 10, 2008
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  13. Ten to 15 minutes is certainly on the long side. On the other hand, if
    everything else is OK, most of us power on and boot once a day or less
    frequently, and even a time like that doesn't hurt very much.

    I press the power button and go get my coffee. When I come back it's
    finished booting. I don't know how long it took and I don't care.


    That is seldom a solution to such a problem, and even if it is, you
    don't find out what was wrong. That means that you will probably
    repeat the behavior that caused it and soon find yourself back in the
    same situation.


    What's installed but not running has no effect on performance, boot
    time or anything else. The only bad thing about having an unnecessary
    program installed is that it wastes a little disk space (and that's
    almost certainly unrelated to your problem).


    Since you find performance after booting OK, it's highly unlikely that
    this had any effect on the issue.


    A very poor thing to do, problems or not. Registry cleaning programs
    are *all* snake oil. Cleaning of the registry isn't needed and is
    dangerous. Leave the registry alone and don't use any registry
    cleaner. Despite what many people think, and what vendors of registry
    cleaning software try to convince you of, having unused registry
    entries doesn't really hurt you.

    The risk of a serious problem caused by a registry cleaner erroneously
    removing an entry you need is far greater than any potential benefit
    it may have.



    No effect on the issue. Defragging the registry very seldom has any
    effect on performance.


    Good, but...


    ....their number (despite how often you see people telling you about
    it) is irrelevant. What could very likely be a factor here is *which*
    programs are starting automatically. Which are they?


    Both good to do, but highly unlikely to be a factor in this issue.


    Completely unnecessary.


    Again, unrelated to your problem.


    Highly unlikely to be a factor.

    You don't mention anything about which anti-virus and anti-spyware
    programs you run and whether they are kept up to date. This could very
    likely be a factor.
     
    Ken Blake, MVP, Oct 11, 2008
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  14. WHAT? All that work and you don't have a backup of a working copy?

    That can't be laid in Acer's lap.
     
    Paul Montgomery, Oct 11, 2008
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  15. dpwilli

    Tom W. Guest

    That can be very long in some occasions, I don't want to wait 15 minutes in
    a 50 minutes lesson for my laptop to boot...

    Now it does it in about a minute and that's fine.


    Process Monitor and Performance Tools are two good tools to analyze the boot
    (Like BootVis was there for XP), the second option also provides a forced
    boot preparation method.

    Event logs can also provide good information on what programs are delaying
    you, I guess just one of your programs or services is failing in one or
    another way.


    Good luck and have fun.
     
    Tom W., Oct 11, 2008
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    Kayman Guest

    On Sat, 11 Oct 2008 04:28:37 +0530, fusiooon wrote:

    Not really!

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    (The driver issue is discussed towards to the end of the discussion).
     
    Kayman, Oct 11, 2008
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    tweakwindows Guest

    tweakwindows, Oct 12, 2008
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  18. dpwilli

    Kerry Brown Guest

    Perhaps your antivirus program is doing a scan at startup?
     
    Kerry Brown, Oct 12, 2008
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  19. Start by turning off your antivirus and spyware programs. make sure they are
    turned off at startup as well. Also turn off windows defender and indexing of
    your hard drives. I suspect its your antivirus or spyware program that is
    doing it. They usually cause a lot of issues with the system booting up.
     
    david manvell, Oct 18, 2008
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  20. dpwilli

    fusiooon Guest

    OK everyone, some good stuff has been said, but NOTHING that helped m
    fix or find the problem. Obviously I need my notebook to work fast
    can't wait around 10-15 minutes for it to work properly. In the end
    gave up, did a format and fresh reinstall. I'm using the same antivirus
    same firewall, same everything as before. Well besides the Ace
    utilities which I never used anyway...
    The point is my notebook is back to it's good old performance, boot
    startup in no time and after that everything as usual. To conclude
    obviously this wasn't a hardware problem because it wouldn't have gon
    away after a reinstall. I suspect it was a registry problem, because
    must admit I fool around and edit it sometimes. Not to mention th
    registry cleaning programs.
    Anyway, all is back to normal. So if your PC has a problem no one know
    how to fix, do a format and reinstall. Now I should go really mak
    myself a backup :
     
    fusiooon, Nov 18, 2008
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