Vista x64 Ultimate with integrated SP1 causing much grief! Can anyone help?

Discussion in 'Windows Vista Installation' started by kentiler, Aug 30, 2008.

  1. kentiler

    kentiler Guest

    Hi
    I was able to download Vista Ultimate 64Bit with SP1 integrated fro
    Microsoft. I started on this project Thursday and I have yet to have
    working computer. The original configuration is

    Tyan S2985 Thunder system board (nforce chipset
    Dual Opteron 280 processor
    4 GB Ra
    Dual NVIDIA 7900 GT
    four SATA drives running RAID 1+
    ASUS Xonar D2

    I had been running Vista for several months but after installing
    bunch of software things started going downhill so I figured it would b
    good to do a format and start over. I had applied SP1 seperately an
    I've been running that, too, for several months, so I'd have to say th
    hardware should be fine with Vista

    When I re-installed Thursday, I did a format of the OS partition an
    reinstalled. Vista installed without any issue and but when I installe
    nforce and geforce drivers, the computer would reboot without even
    BSOD.

    I've run the integrated memory check (extended) from Vista overnigh
    and no issues. I've also run the memtest86+ testor and it didn't fin
    any issues

    I've been researching this for many hours, and I've reduced the RA
    down to 2 GB and removed the sound card and any peripherials. I eve
    went out and bought a new Geforce 9800 GTX Video card because I saw
    few posts about the 7000 series and Vista (however, I had been runnin
    those cards fine for months). I have the 9800 installed now

    Here's where I am now...I'll give you some history and document wha
    I'm doing as it happens
    -----------------------------
    This is the 4th time I've gone through the format/install vist
    process, and I'm still seeing errors at the start. Current state i
    Vista Ultimate x64 w/SP1 installed and nforce drivers. I haven't trie
    the Geforce Drivers yet. A window popped up titled Assert. The window
    says expression is: (!fInFire != !m_DEBUG_fInFire) Must be switchin
    states. Now here's the really crazy thing! It's saying the file i
    d:\rtm\windows\advcore\duser\engine\motion\action.cpp; line 341.
    However, drive D was formatted. I've turned on show hidden/syste
    files, and there isn't a d:\rtm directory - even hidden

    I've had IE stop responding a number of times while I was searching fo
    updates and solutions. I ended up typing this post on a differen
    computer

    Just for fun, I checked Windows Update, and it said everything wa
    current - nothing to download

    One thing to note: I did the NVIDIA auto-detect for motherboar
    drivers, and it had me download 15.01_international for the nforc
    drivers dated around July 2007. When I search manually the latest i
    15.16 dated May 2008. In the mix of the 4 times of installed, I'v
    tried both of these - for now I'm with the ones that they auto-picke
    for me
    -----------------------------
    OK. I saved the restore point and rebooted. Downloading lates
    drivers from NVIDIA for the Gefore 9800. I installed them and wa
    prompted to reboot.

    As soon as the login prompt for Vista came up, BSOD! Due to
    problem..... The stop code is 0x0000007E. It didn't mention any drive
    or device. I reboot, try start windows normally, and same thing

    I've read on another post on another site that this may be common wit
    Ultimate. Going down to Business edition seems to fix this. Jus
    strange that I've been running Vista Ultimate for months and haven't ha
    any trouble. Must be the new build

    Any suggestions on getting Ultimate to work correctly for me? This i
    driving me insane! 3 days working on this now and still no workin
    computer

    Thanks

    --Ken
     
    kentiler, Aug 30, 2008
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  2. kentiler

    Phillips Guest

    My experience on the issue - cannot document it, though - is that Vista (and
    XP) leaves hidden traces on the hard drive; reformatting the OS partition
    would not erase whatever data is hidden on the HDD. If you have another HDD,
    try to install on it (unplug the OS HDD).

    If you do not have another HDD, before tossing the machine to the dumpster,
    however inconvenient, time consuming, undocumented etc, zero out the drive
    (low level disk tools from HDD's manufacturer's website), repartition and
    reinstall - have drivers ready.

    Don't forget to make an image of the fresh install after activation.
    Michael
     
    Phillips, Aug 31, 2008
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  3. Are you suggesting/saying that because a format doesn't actually
    remove info from a hard drive, the info would interfere with an
    installation?

    If it is, it's no wonder you can't document it.
     
    Paul Montgomery, Aug 31, 2008
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  4. kentiler

    kentiler Guest

    I made a new DVD of the Vista Ultimate without SP1 and in the process o
    installing it now. I'll let you know how it goes. If that doesn'
    work, I'll zero out the drives and then do a re-install

    --Ken
     
    kentiler, Aug 31, 2008
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  5. kentiler

    Curious Guest

    How did you do that?
    If you were running 32bit with SP1 then you should have been able to install
    64bit SP1 on top of the 32bit partition with a clean install directly from
    the 64 bit SP1 DVD as ;long as any other HDDs containing an os were not
    connected.
     
    Curious, Aug 31, 2008
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  6. kentiler

    kentiler Guest

    I had the ISO of the non-SP1 version of Vista Ultimate that I wa
    running previously (from MSDN). I've never been running 32bit Vista
    always 64-bit

    --Ken
     
    kentiler, Aug 31, 2008
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  7. kentiler

    SIW2 Guest

    Hi

    Yes , the "clean " install is no such thing - the format performe
    under advanced drive options during install process is a quick format
    it just clears the log files

    Seems to me you could attach a 2nd hd, format ( or rather quick forma
    ) the
    1st hd during install process and install fresh on 2nd hd. Then use ne
    install of Vista on 2nd hd to do a full format of 1st hd using dis
    management

    Don't know if that was causing the problem, but if you are getting
    2nd hd , you might as well clean up the first one. If you don't clea
    the log files ( i.e. format it during new reinstall ) on 1st hd
    suspect the new install on 2nd hd won't let you do a full format of it

    SIW
     
    SIW2, Aug 31, 2008
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  8. kentiler

    kentiler Guest

    Update: I've completed installing Ultimate x64 without integrated SP1.
    I installed the system drivers, then the video drivers and no issues.
    downloaded and installed SP1 and everything so far is working great! N
    BSOD!!!!! There have to be something wrong with the integrated version
    At least I have a working system again....now to get everythin
    reloaded

    --Ken
     
    kentiler, Aug 31, 2008
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    SIW2 Guest

    SIW2, Aug 31, 2008
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    rajinisback Guest

    I'd like to throw my 2 cents in on this. I have retail Vista 64 bit DV
    (no SP2 embedded

    I had XP on the drive. I booted up with the Vista DVD, Choose th
    "clean Install" and del the partition, made a new partition, forma
    install completed. Then installed SP1 then windows update. This was
    months ago and things are flawless.

    Also I created 2 Vista Images with Vlite ('www.vlite.net
    (http://www.vlite.net)) and slipstream SP1 into the images. Works great
    :

    Ra
     
    rajinisback, Aug 31, 2008
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  11. kentiler

    kentiler Guest

    I contemplated doing the slipstream, but when I found the ISO image o
    MSDN/Technet, I figured that would be cleaner! I'll be VERY careful no
    when I choose to re-install. I'm in the process of imaging this buil
    and will probably restore from it for future reloading

    Thanks for all the suggestions

    --Ken
     
    kentiler, Aug 31, 2008
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  12. kentiler

    Phillips Guest

    If you have the time, try this:
    Install Vista, do not activate, use it to end of trial period - 3 days.
    Delete the partition, create new partition, format.
    Install again... see if you can run it for another 3 days.

    I did not try it on Vista, but some had the surprise to see that XP could
    not be reinstalled for another 30 days after the initial 30 days trial.
    Hence, I assume some data is left on the hard-drive.

    Michael
     
    Phillips, Aug 31, 2008
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  13. As you describe it, Windows installed without a hitch the second time.
    That's gotta be an activation issue, not an issue related to
    formatting.

    I'd believe it was a formatting issue (MS placing a hidden file where
    it couldn't lose its pointers) if you did that without the machine
    EVER being connected to the Internet.
     
    Paul Montgomery, Aug 31, 2008
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