Vista, You win

Discussion in 'Windows Vista Performance' started by Simon, Feb 21, 2008.

  1. Simon

    Simon Guest

    It is my last time to use Vista, it slow my work, slow my life, limit my
    ablility. It's time to say goodbye.

    My configuration is Lenovo T61p. Luckily, Lenovo has the "downgrade" XP
    recover CD, HiHi.
     
    Simon, Feb 21, 2008
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  2. Good, now you can go away
     
    David Morgan \(MAMS\), Feb 21, 2008
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  3. Two points..

    If you have only 1gb RAM, part of that will be used for video. You need to
    install another 1gb RAM. If you don't want to do that, use of a flash drive
    in Ready Boost mode goes some way to aiding speed, but it is not as fast as
    extra RAM would be.

    Also, laptops are set NOT to run at full CPU speed in order to preserve
    battery life. You may want to look at Vista's power settings..



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    Mike Hall - MVP, Feb 21, 2008
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  4. Simon

    Mark Guest

    So basically Mike is saying that Vista is not advsable for use on a laptop
    unless it is fully loaded with memory. what a way to promote a usless
    operating system.

    The reason for throttling back the cpu is to overcome battery problems NOT
    operating system failures.

    All the pre SP1 hype proved fuitless other than microsoft shooting its self
    in its corperate foot.

    When is the next version of windows going to be released so that this usless
    sub standard system can be withdrawn.
     
    Mark, Apr 27, 2008
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  5. The same considerations applied equally to XP. In systems where video memory
    is a shared portion of the total RAM installed, unless 768mb or 1gb was
    installed, XP performance was compromised. I have seen it on laptops and
    desktops alike.

    Video memory has increased from 32 and 64mb to 128 and 256mb. On the basis
    that Vista requires at least 1gb for its own use (not shared with anything
    else), you can see that 1gb is not enough in a shared video memory system.

    The manufacturers should install at least 1.5gb RAM in ANY machine, but they
    don't purely to keep the price down.

    Laptops also have the disadvantage of heat build up, so can't use the
    fastest of components. The CPU is throttled back so that battery life looks
    better, XP or Vista. Laptops are and always have been a compromise, offering
    reasonable performance AND portability..

    And Vista is not a useless operating system, working very well for many
    people.

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    Mike Hall - MVP, Apr 27, 2008
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  6. Simon

    Mark Guest

    I would like to know how you would install 1.5 Gb of ram as I have not see a
    1.5 Gb stick or a 750 Mb stick and I kbnow not of any popular manufactura of
    laptop who provides more than 2 memory slots, surely you mean that if Vista
    must be installed then microsoft should only allow the install to start when
    2Gb of ram is installed and the operating systen can claim 1.5Gb for its self,
    I think that you have confirmed when you say:-

    "> Laptops also have the disadvantage of heat build up, so can't use the
    Therfore I would like to point out that you have agreed with me that Vista
    in any form or guise should not be installed on a laptop because of its
    inherint problems of wishing to use ALL of the avalible system resourse's, as
    it is only suitable for high end PC's what a waste of time and money MS has
    made, this would explain why so many microsoft people are trying to defend
    what the industry knows as substandard
     
    Mark, Apr 27, 2008
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  7. Simon

    David P Guest


    I don't know what you're talking about. Vista Home Premium is running on my
    laptop beautifully. I have an Intel Core 2 Duo - and not the fastest at
    that - 2GB RAM, and an integrated Intel graphics chip. System Video Memory
    is 32MB, Shared System Memory is 192MB. RAM utilization during routine
    tasks is under 50%, CPU use varies.

    He didn't agree with you at all. You just twisted what he said around to
    fit your only bias.
     
    David P, Apr 27, 2008
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  8. So the laptop manufacturer installs 2gb because it is known that Vista is
    better for having 2gb fitted.

    Nope, too easy a solution, and they will lose customers who can't quite
    afford 2gb.

    Then again, RAM would come down in price if more was manufactured and
    installed by the OEMs

    Vista performs adequately in 1gb, assuming that there is no call on the RAM
    by any part of the system. In laptops, there always is, and desktops with
    integrated video have the same issue. The manufacturers are quite aware of
    this fact, yet they still choose to sell underpowered systems..

    They did it with XP too. Remember, it is better to have sold an underpowered
    system than to have lost the sale completely..



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    Mike Hall - MVP, Apr 27, 2008
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  9. Simon

    kenbob Guest

    I don't follow you Mike. Are you saying persons spending around $1,000 or
    2,000 on a new laptop can't afford an extra strip of ram which is extremely
    affordable? Have you done any pricing lately?
     
    kenbob, Apr 28, 2008
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  10. Simon

    Spook 13 Guest


    I agree. Why do MS not suggest this to PC vendors?
    http://warworld13.myminicity.com/
     
    Spook 13, Apr 28, 2008
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  11. Simon

    Spook 13 Guest

    Spook 13, Apr 28, 2008
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  12. Simon

    Gordon Guest


    Won't work with a duo core processor AFAIK - you need two of the same...
     
    Gordon, Apr 28, 2008
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  13. There are people who will not go that little bit further, and those who
    flatly refuse to do so because THEY don't think that Vista should have to
    require more than 1gb.

    I know that memory is cheap enough, but manufacturers want to catch as many
    sales as they can..

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    Mike Hall - MVP, Apr 28, 2008
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  15. Simon

    Spook 13 Guest

    Won't work with a duo core processor AFAIK - you need two of the same...

    Thanks, I really did not know that. I almost went and got myself that
    upgrade... Without being to technical, can you tell me why it does not work
    ?
    Cheers.
    http://spookpaleis.myminicity.com
     
    Spook 13, Apr 29, 2008
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  16. Simon

    Spook 13 Guest

    The manufacturers should install at least 1.5gb RAM in ANY machine, but
    Yes, that is true, but I think there are more than enough MS product users
    in the world to justify them making a few recommendations/insistance on our
    behalf?
    http://peanutpaleis.myminicity.com
     
    Spook 13, Apr 29, 2008
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  17. Simon

    Gordon Guest

    Well it DOES work, but you don't get the best performance with a duo core
    processor unless you have two identical RAM chips. AFAIK......
     
    Gordon, Apr 29, 2008
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  18. The manufacturers are only interested in sales figures. As long as a machine
    starts up and loads the OS, they do not care..

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    Mike Hall - MVP, Apr 29, 2008
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