Visual-Studio severely damages Vista

Discussion in 'Windows Vista Security' started by Jim Kay, Apr 7, 2008.

  1. Jim Kay

    Julian Guest


    I'm not sure I'm the best guarantee of anyone's sanity <NARF>

    ....but if we do get it fixed then maybe we could team up and Try To Take
    Over The World <g>

    <snip>
     
    Julian, Apr 14, 2008
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  2. Hello,

    I'm wondering if the suggestion has helped or if you have any further
    questions.

    Please feel free to respond to the newsgroups if I can assist further.

    Thanks.

    Sincerely,
    Neo Zhu,
    Microsoft Online Support
    Microsoft Global Technical Support Center

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    | From: (Jian-Ping Zhu [MSFT])
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    | Date: Fri, 11 Apr 2008 11:15:40 GMT
    | Subject: Re: Visual-Studio severely damages Vista
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    | Hello Jim,
    |
    | Thank you for your reply.
    |
    | I fully understand your feeling on this issue. Generally speaking, we
    will
    | always try our best to solve and reduce compatibility issues between
    | applications and systems. We try to will do full tests before releasing
    our
    | products. Some known issues will be included in the release note together
    | with a guide or instruction telling you how to prevent or resolve these
    | kinds of issues.
    |
    | To this specific issue, I recommend you follow the installation guide
    | strictly when installing Visual Studio. If not, some unexpected issues
    | might occur. For example,it is recommended to "Run as Administrator" to
    | install Visual Studio SP1 in Visual Studio 2005 Service Pack 1 Release
    | Notes as Visual Studio installation requires elevated privileges. If you
    | run the installation without elevate privileges, you might get some
    | problems during the installation or the problem occurs after the
    | installation is finished or even after the program is uninstalled.
    |
    | You could refer to the following Visual Studio 2005 Service Pack 1
    Release
    | Notes when install Visual Studio:
    | http://support.microsoft.com/kb/928957/
    |
    | During the development of Windows Vista, several key investments were
    made
    | to vastly improve overall quality, security, and reliability from
    previous
    | versions of Windows.
    |
    | I also notice that the Visual Studio 2005 Service Pack 1 Update for
    Windows
    | Vista is available for download. The Visual Studio 2005 Service Pack 1
    | Update for Windows Vista addresses areas of Visual Studio impacted by
    | Windows Vista enhancements. If you haven't installed this update, I
    | strongly recommend you install this update after the Visual Studio 2005
    SP1
    | is installed and have another test.
    |
    | You could download this update here:
    |
    | Visual Studio 2005 Service Pack 1 Update for Windows Vista
    |
    http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/details.aspx?FamilyID=90e2942d-3ad1-4873-
    | a2ee-4acc0aace5b6&displaylang=en
    |
    | If possible, please test Visual Studio 2005 SP1 together with Update for
    | Windows Vista and Visual Studio 2008 on different Vista machines.
    |
    | Moreover, the following information is for your reference:
    |
    | Visual Studio on Windows Vista FAQ
    | http://msdn2.microsoft.com/en-us/vs2005/aa948854
    |
    | Visual Studio 2005 on Windows Vista Issue List - Running with normal user
    | permissions
    | http://msdn2.microsoft.com/en-us/vs2005/aa972193
    |
    | Visual Studio 2005 on Windows Vista Issue List - Running with elevated
    | administrator permissions
    | http://msdn2.microsoft.com/en-us/vs2005/aa964140
    |
    | Visual Studio .NET 2003 on Windows Vista Issue List
    | http://msdn2.microsoft.com/en-us/vs2005/bb188244.aspx
    |
    | I hope this helps. Thanks.
    |
    | Sincerely,
    | Neo Zhu,
    | Microsoft Online Support
    | Microsoft Global Technical Support Center
    |
    | Get Secure! - www.microsoft.com/security
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    | | Subject: Re: Visual-Studio severely damages Vista
    | | Date: Thu, 10 Apr 2008 09:13:32 -0400
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    | | Dear Jian-Ping Zhu,
    | |
    | | I thank you for your honest response about this problem. It's the first
    | one
    | | I've gotten from Microsoft. Of course, UAC and Visual Studio aren't
    | playing
    | | well together. (Even though you only acknowledge this between the
    lines,
    | I
    | | appreciate it.)
    | |
    | | My personal account is a member of the Administrators group.
    | | When the permissions get reset on c:\config.msi, the administrators
    group
    | | retains 'full control' as would be expected.
    | | One would expect that disabling UAC would bypass the permissions
    problem
    | on
    | | that folder and it certainly does that. It was one of the first things
    I
    | | tried.
    | |
    | | Perhaps I should have been explicit about having disabled UAC in the
    | past.
    | | But I get tired of being pestered to turn it back on and, basically, I
    | think
    | | it's better for me to have UAC working.
    | |
    | | But you seem to be acknowledging that Visual Studio and UAC don't play
    | well
    | | together. That's pretty sad now that Vista has been retail since late
    | | November of 2006 and Microsoft is holding firmly to the position that
    | | reduced user permissions is a reasonable and necessary approach to
    | limiting
    | | the risks of rogue software. In fact, I fully agree with Microsoft on
    | this
    | | point.
    | |
    | | Microsoft is also holding the position that conflicts with UAC are
    | totally
    | | the responsibility of the application vendors who should either fix
    their
    | | product so it doesn't require full administrator rights or should be
    | certain
    | | their product prompts the user when that is truly necessary.
    | |
    | | OK, I agree. But, of course, Microsoft is ALSO the application vendor
    for
    | | Visual Studio and that department hasn't gotten the message about being
    | in
    | | compliance with UAC.
    | |
    | | I'm certainly old enough and experienced enough to understand that an
    | | organization as large as Microsoft will inevetibly be inconsistent;
    even
    | | seriously inconsistent. But now that Vista has been retail for one year
    | and
    | | five months, I think it fair of the user community to expect a clear
    | | acknowledgment and warning from Microsoft about this problem; and
    really
    | I
    | | think it should have been fixed LONG AGO!
    | |
    | | In any case, I removed Visual Studio 2008 long ago but the problem
    | remains
    | | as it has every time before. I am now in the process if reinstalling
    | Visual
    | | Studio 2008 using the method you provided. With UAC disabled, I am
    nearly
    | | certain I won't have the permissions problem as that would be very
    | strange
    | | indeed.
    | |
    | | So I suppose I get to choose between two alternatives:
    | | 1. totally rebuild my Vista system AGAIN and live without Visual Studio
    | on
    | | any Vista machine until Microsoft steps up the problem and fixes it.
    | | 2. run without UAC until Microsoft steps up to the problem and fixes it.
    | |
    | | I do wonder how I'm going to know that the problem has actually been
    | fixed
    | | so I can turn UAC back on. (I'm not at all in the mood to do yet
    another
    | | total rebuild. But if something else forces me to, I may go back to
    | running
    | | Visual Studio on an XP virtual machine which I have already
    experimented
    | | with doing.)
    | |
    | | Shie Shie (Thats the best I can do transliterating 'thank you' from
    | | Mandarin)
    | | Jim Kay
    | |
    | | | | > Hello Jim,
    | | >
    | | > Thank you for the reply.
    | | >
    | | > I have done some further research and I find that Vista's UAC
    prompting
    | | > might cause this problem. Also running Visual Studio with normal user
    | | > permissions on Vista might cause some issues.
    | | >
    | | > To narrow down this issue, I recommend you follow the steps below and
    | have
    | | > another try.
    | | >
    | | > 1. Enable the Administrator account and log in as Administrator.
    | | > 2. Disable Vista's UAC prompting.
    | | > To do this, please
    | | > 1). Go to Start, Run, and enter "MSCONFIG"
    | | > 2). Go to the Tools menu.
    | | > 3). Halfway down the list, enable 'Disable UAC Disables User
    Account
    | | > Control (Requires Reboot)'
    | | > 4). Reboot.
    | | >
    | | > 3. Please uninstall Visual Studio and reinstall it again following the
    | | > steps I mentioned in my last mail.
    | | >
    | | > After that, please check whether the issues still occur.
    | | >
    | | > If yes, please tell me in detail that what operation causes the issue.
    | | > Please also check whether there are any error messages recorded in
    Event
    | | > logs and let me know. If possible, please capture a screenshot of the
    | | > error
    | | > message and mail the screenshot to me.
    | | >
    | | > To capture a screenshot:
    | | > ===================
    | | > 1. Please press the Print Screen key (PrtScn) on your keyboard.
    | | > 2. Click "Start", click "Run", type "mspaint", and click "OK".
    | | > 3. In Paint, click Paste under the Edit Menu, click Save under the
    File
    | | > menu, type a file name for the screenshot, choose JPEG as "Save as
    | type",
    | | > click "Desktop" on the left pane, and click Save.
    | | > 4. Please find the screenshot on the Desktop and send it as an
    | attachment
    | | > to:
    | | >
    | | > More information
    | | > ==============
    | | > The following information is for your reference:
    | | >
    | | > Visual Studio 2005 on Windows Vista Issue List when running with
    normal
    | | > user permissions:
    | | > http://msdn2.microsoft.com/en-us/vs2005/aa972193.aspx
    | | >
    | | > Contents of Microsoft Visual Studio 2005 Setup Issues Readme file
    | | > http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=kb;EN-US;908452
    | | >
    | | > I look forward to hearing from you. Thanks.
    | | >
    | | > Sincerely,
    | | > Neo Zhu,
    | | > Microsoft Online Support
    | | > Microsoft Global Technical Support Center
    | | >
    | | > Get Secure! - www.microsoft.com/security
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    | | > that others may learn and benefit from your issue.
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    | | > | Subject: Re: Visual-Studio severely damages Vista
    | | > | Date: Tue, 8 Apr 2008 18:18:30 -0400
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    | | > | There are two things in your understanding that are a little off:
    | | > |
    | | > | 1. removing Visual Studio does not fix the problem. My Vista
    machines
    | | > remain
    | | > | permanently broken and must be totally rebuilt to fix them.
    | | > | 2. there are many messages in the MSDN forums of people complaining
    | | > about
    | | > | trouble with access to c:\config.msi directory but there are no
    (that
    | I
    | | > ever
    | | > | found) responses from anyone at Microsoft that acknowlegeds the
    | | > connection
    | | > | to Visual Studio installation. I have proven to my own satisfaction
    | that
    | | > | installing Visual Studio is the cause of the problem. But it
    cannot,
    | as
    | | > far
    | | > | as I know, ever be reversed other than format the drive and start
    over
    | | > with
    | | > | everything.
    | | > |
    | | > | I have posted in MSDN but Microsoft just ignores the problem and
    | doesn't
    | | > | respond to ANYONE.
    | | > |
    message
    | | > | | | > | > Hello,
    | | > | >
    | | > | > Thank you for your post.
    | | > | >
    | | > | > According to your description, my understanding is that after you
    | | > | > installed
    | | > | > Visual Studio 2005 or Visual Studio 2008 on your Vista machine,
    some
    | | > | > update
    | | > | > processes failed because the access to C:\cinfig.msi is denied.
    | After
    | | > you
    | | > | > uninstalled Visual Studio, the issue gone. You concern is to
    verify
    | | > | > whether
    | | > | > it is the Visual Studio that cause this issue and find a solution
    to
    | | > solve
    | | > | > this issue.
    | | > | >
    | | > | > If there is any misunderstanding, please let me know.
    | | > | >
    | | > | > According to the symptom, it seems that there are some
    compatibility
    | | > | > issues
    | | > | > between Visual Studio and Vista. As we are not Visual Studio
    | expert,
    | | > I'd
    | | > | > like to suggest that you also submit a post in the following MSDN
    | | > | > newsgroup
    | | > | > so that this issue can be resolved efficiently.
    | | > | >
    | | > | > microsoft.public.msdn.general
    | | > | >
    | | > | > The engineers and newsgroup members there are more experienced on
    | | > Visual
    | | > | > Studio related issues, and should be able to provide you with
    | | > suggestions
    | | > | > on this issue.
    | | > | >
    | | > | > Meanwhile,I'd like to share with you some basic information.
    | | > | >
    | | > | > Based on my research, this issue might be caused by not properly
    | | > | > installing
    | | > | > Visual Studio 2005/2008.
    | | > | >
    | | > | > I recommend you follow the below steps to uninstall Visual Studio
    | 2008
    | | > and
    | | > | > reinstall it.
    | | > | >
    | | > | > 1. Please follow the below article to uninstalling Visual
    | | > Studio
    | | > | > 2008
    | | > | > http://msdn2.microsoft.com/en-us/vs2008/bb968856.aspx
    | | > | >
    | | > | > 2. Install the latest Windows updates.
    | | > | >
    | | > | > 3. Check if there is any anti-virus or antispyware
    running.
    | | > Turn
    | | > | > them off before installation.
    | | > | >
    | | > | > 4. Make sure that the installation media is healthy. If the
    | | > | > installation from DVD is not working well, you can try copying the
    | | > | > contents
    | | > | > of the disc to the hard disk and try the installation from the
    hard
    | | > disk.
    | | > | >
    | | > | > 5. Temporarily disable/dismiss Windows Update during
    | | > installation
    | | > | > (especially in Vista see:
    | | > | > http://blogs.msdn.com/astebner/archive/2007/11/13/6190778.aspx)
    | | > | >
    | | > | > 6. Run the installation as administrator.
    | | > | >
    | | > | > After the installation is finished, please check whether the
    issue
    | | > still
    | | > | > exists.
    | | > | >
    | | > | > If yes, I recommend you to contact to MSDN support engineers for
    | | > further
    | | > | > investigation.
    | | > | >
    | | > | > Thanks.
    | | > | >
    | | > | > Sincerely,
    | | > | > Neo Zhu,
    | | > | > Microsoft Online Support
    | | > | > Microsoft Global Technical Support Center
    | | > | >
    | | > | > Get Secure! - www.microsoft.com/security
    | | > | > =====================================================
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    | | > so
    | | > | > that others may learn and benefit from your issue.
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    | | >
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    Jian-Ping Zhu [MSFT], Apr 22, 2008
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  3. Jim Kay

    Chris Guest

    I've encountered the ‘Error 1310. Error writing to file
    C:\Config.Msi\XXXX.rbf’ error many times over the last 12 months or so.
    *Very* frustrating. I got the error again today when attempting an Office
    2007 Repair. (Recently, I've been getting odd messages when launching Word
    and Excel and am wondering whether a repair will help.)

    Visual Studio 2005 is installed on this PC.

    Every time I've searched the 'net for someone else encountering the 1310
    error, the results have been less than conclusive. I came across a blog post
    today
    (http://glovario.wordpress.com/2008/...writing-to-file-cconfigmsixxxxrbf/#comment-48)
    that provides some possible fixes--none of which worked for me, however. Do
    you happen to have the online backup utility Carbonite installed on your PC?
    I do, but disabling it (which is one of the recommendations in the blog post)
    did not resolve the problem for me.

    LIke you, I am a member of the local Administrators group; however, Full
    Control to the C:\Config.Msi folder keeps disappearing--and this seems to be
    the cause of the 1310 errors.

    If I keep pressing Retry, the error keeps re-appearing, but with a different
    file name. As I press the Retry button dozens of times, the progress bar
    moves along to 100% completion....and the repair process eventually says it
    succeeds. I wonder what is not being accomplished by the files in the
    C:\Config.MSI directory not being able to be written to? And why can't
    Microsoft fix this problem?
     
    Chris, May 2, 2008
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