What causes this?

Discussion in 'Windows Vista Performance' started by Mason, Jul 22, 2007.

  1. Mason

    Mason Guest

    Yep, one for every single day since I loaded vista!

    But how do I clear all of the problems up with the task scheduler as well?
    Did you get to see the error messages I received while trying to run it?
    Mason, Jul 27, 2007
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  2. On Tue, 24 Jul 2007 20:10:01 -0700, Mason
    Did it work in the end? Was this the bundleware Nero 7 Essentials?
    AFAIK Vista calls many things my different names, and that may apply
    to SR (may be called System Protection now). Also, event logging
    (which "Reliability" is rooted in) may refer to such events as Shadow
    Copy or something... I've always found those logs to be heavy going,
    which is why the Reliability facility is really good!
    OK, possibly old enough to have "bad capacitor disease" as well as
    gunked heat sink and fan, but you wouldn't have such a clean problem
    (all well except SR always deleted) in those cases.
    That sort of thing could affect shutdown, too, so fits. If you said
    "...and I keep losing settings that I make during a Windows session,
    on the next boot, they're gone", I'd suspect that a bit more.

    OTOH, elsewhere in this thread I saw something about dual resident av,
    which is known to be a Bad Idea. Do you really have two different
    resident av installed?
    Hm. What mobo is this? What chipset?
    CD-ROM sounds more like something else (IKWYM, but it's not ACPI).
    AFAIK, ACPI is a hardware standard that defines how BIOS and power
    management works with the hardware, and that in turn ties into ATX
    power shutdown, suspend, hardware resource allocation etc.

    In older NT-based OSs, the initial HAL would be based on a particular
    type of hardware setup and could be invalidated if that was later
    changed after the fact - much as Vmm32.vxd would be a similar point of
    failure in Win9x in similar circumstances. Dunno how Vista handles
    that... when you flashed BIOS to fix S3 modes etc. did Vista decide it
    wasn't on the same PC anymore, and require (re-)activation?

    On Vista waking up all the time; look in CMOS Setup for what hardware
    events can awaken the PC and disable the ones you don't want. For
    example, a UPS or other device plugged into a serial port may be
    mistaken for a modem signalling an incoming call, etc.
    Cool! I've been building Vista boxen a while too (well, since Jan
    2007) and it's been a bit of a learning curve, and frustrating waiting
    for Nero and DVD writer vendors to get their act together. I only
    build with Intel motherboards these days - it's a motherboard chipset
    rather than a processor thing - and SF,SG.

    Tech Support: The guys who follow the
    'Parade of New Products' with a shovel.
    cquirke (MVP Windows shell/user), Jul 28, 2007
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  3. Wow, that's quite a bug!

    We keep hearing how NTFS is Really Cool because it loses less slack
    space due to 4k clusters, and here we're advised to force 16k+
    clusters where you "plan to defragment volumes that are used for
    shadow copies of shared folders".

    In effect, it sounds like shadow copy vs. defrag thrashing (and I
    don't see how a space blow-out on shadow copy is going to result in an
    effectively defragged/optimised file system).

    The article doesn't mention whether "previous versions" get tossed as
    well... perhaps we need to really get a handle on what things are
    running underfoot...
    - indexing
    - thumbnailers
    - shadow copy
    - backup preparation
    - prefetch logging
    - defrag
    - av
    ....and how these interact. On that, see item #1 here:


    Our senses are our UI to reality
    cquirke (MVP Windows shell/user), Jul 28, 2007
  4. Mason

    Mason Guest

    Yes, it did work and it currently does. I had to download tons of things
    from their website to make it work :-/
    Ok, in the event log, later came across two volsnap errors event IDs 25 and
    27. I wrote about them in a reply to someone underneath this, in this thread.
    yes that is a true possibility. I've seen a many a problem caused by that,
    and very common no doubt. No, the CPU is not gunked, I just had it open a
    few minutes ago because I was putting another hd in for backup purposes.
    NO! I have a resident av and a resident anti spyware. One is NAV and the
    other is AVG anti spy. I know how bad having two AVs can be.
    GA-8i945pl-g (Gigabyte) With an intel 945 chipset.
    I have read that it can, but not this time... hm.... And it didn't fix the
    s3 mode... I plan to replace the motherboard soon anyway, I am slowly
    upgrading the pc along and along to keep it from going out of date. This m/b
    only supports 2gb of DR2 ram at 533mhz... That sux.
    There aren't any options. I had already looked, but nothing in there will
    help. I was wondering tho if there might be some os changes I can make.
    Mason, Jul 29, 2007
  5. Mason

    Mason Guest

    Here's what I wrote about the errors so you don't have to search for it:
    Mason, Jul 29, 2007
  6. Yes, it did work and it currently does. I had to download tons of things
    from their website to make it work :-/[/QUOTE]

    Bummer... still, it's good to get a pulse, at last!
    OK, good. Maybe they will know what 25 and 27 mean ;-)
    Yep - see...

    OK, cool.
    Should be good... more likely bad caps than chipset issues.
    cquirke (MVP Windows shell/user), Aug 1, 2007
  7. On Sat, 28 Jul 2007 21:40:00 -0700, Mason

    Eh? That sounds lame...

    Yeah, right. Use the PC less so the OS's underfootware can hog it.

    Huh? Shovelling material across volumes is performance hell...

    Oh, great. What "critical file" might that be? Don't you (MS) think
    users might have a passing interest in dinged critical files? Sheesh!

    These errors don't give much to go on... like a medical lab report
    that says "some cells were abnormal".

    Search( Vista Volsnap event ID 25 ) ... mainly this thread :)

    .....oy, lots of odd and interesting stuff, none that looks pertinent!


    "Shadow copies can be created on FAT/FAT32 volumes too.

    But you need to have at least one NTFS volume in your
    system, in order to use this feature - even if this NTFS
    volume is not the one that you want to backup."



    Not Vista, but Server 2003...


    MS /kb on Vista Kernel, Shadow Copy (PgDn):


    3rd-party Vista FAQ:


    Trend vs. VolSnap on Server 2003:


    No answers emerge, but it seems as if VolSnap is a fussy beast, doing
    more behind the scenes (and probably with more performance impact)
    than one expects. What we really need is a technical backgrounder on
    exactly what this thing does, when, etc. and it may become desrable to
    disable the thing (as one is tempted to do with indexing).

    Some file system corruption patterns in some file systrems can make
    the system "think" there's no free space, when there is. I wonder if
    such a condition is throwing VolSnap for a loop?

    Saws are too hard to use.
    Be easier to use!
    cquirke (MVP Windows shell/user), Aug 2, 2007
  8. Mason

    Mason Guest

    Same thing I said, "What @#$%ing file?!" I have searched... the only thing I
    find on the web or the KB at microsoft is win server 2003.
    Mason, Aug 3, 2007
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