What prevents Vista from creating restore points automatically?

Discussion in 'Windows Vista Performance' started by daissy, Nov 17, 2007.

  1. daissy

    daissy Guest

    Hi,
    I have Sony Vaio VGN-TZ 150N with Vista Business. Since the very first days
    of its existence it did not create a signle restore point automatically, I
    have to do it manually whenever I remind myself of it. I have the feature
    turned on to create restore points on my c drive. I have also Kaspersky
    Internet Security 7 installed since some time, before I had Norton Internet
    Security as trial version came preinstalled on my computer. But as before a
    now, restore points are not created automatically.
    Anyone willing to help me figure out what to do to fix it?
     
    daissy, Nov 17, 2007
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  2. Daissy,

    One possibility is a background program that is running continuously. The
    restore point is only created if the machine is idle as initially
    configured.

    If you check Task Scheduler, Microsoft/Windows/System Restore conditions
    tab, you will find 'start the task only if idle.....'

    Michael
    Vista Home Premium
     
    Michael Walraven, Nov 17, 2007
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  3. daissy

    AJR Guest

    Also if restore points are not created via software installation or system
    changes within 24 hours - Vista creates a System Checkpoint restore point -
    it must be 24 hrs of "running" time.
     
    AJR, Nov 18, 2007
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  4. daissy

    daissy Guest

    I changed System Restore conditions and unchecked 'start the task only if
    idle.....' but it did not help. I checked event viewer and I get ASR writer
    Error 0x80070037 from Volume Shadow Copy Service everytime the system attemps
    to create a restore point. I copy below the errors I get. I f you know any
    solution to that or if you are aware of any hotfix for that, pls let me know.

    Log Name: Application
    Source: VSS
    Date: 2007-11-18 13:32:24
    Event ID: 12290
    Task Category: None
    Level: Warning
    Keywords: Classic
    User: N/A
    Computer: Kasia-PC
    Description:
    Volume Shadow Copy Service warning: ASR writer Error 0x80070037. hr =
    0x00000000.

    Operation:
    PrepareForBackup event
    PrepareForBackup event

    Context:
    Execution Context: ASR Writer
    Execution Context: Writer
    Writer Class Id: {be000cbe-11fe-4426-9c58-531aa6355fc4}
    Writer Name: ASR Writer
    Writer Instance ID: {71e8f677-b102-405e-8190-1439276e4266}
    Event Xml:
    <Event xmlns="http://schemas.microsoft.com/win/2004/08/events/event">
    <System>
    <Provider Name="VSS" />
    <EventID Qualifiers="0">12290</EventID>
    <Level>3</Level>
    <Task>0</Task>
    <Keywords>0x80000000000000</Keywords>
    <TimeCreated SystemTime="2007-11-18T12:32:24.000Z" />
    <EventRecordID>12639</EventRecordID>
    <Channel>Application</Channel>
    <Computer>Kasia-PC</Computer>
    <Security />
    </System>
    <EventData>
    <Data>ASR writer Error 0x80070037</Data>
    <Data>0x00000000</Data>
    <Data>

    Operation:
    PrepareForBackup event
    PrepareForBackup event

    Context:
    Execution Context: ASR Writer
    Execution Context: Writer
    Writer Class Id: {be000cbe-11fe-4426-9c58-531aa6355fc4}
    Writer Name: ASR Writer
    Writer Instance ID: {71e8f677-b102-405e-8190-1439276e4266}</Data>

    <Binary>2D20436F64653A20575254415352574330303030303231382D2043616C6C3A20575254415352574330303030303331332D205049443A202030303030303937362D205449443A202030303030353232382D20434D443A2020433A5C57696E646F77735C73797374656D33325C76737376632E6578652020202D20557365723A204E5420415554484F524954595C53595354454D20202020202D205369643A2020532D312D352D31382D204572726F723A41535220777269746572204572726F7220307838303037303033372020202020</Binary>
    </EventData>
    </Event>



    Log Name: Application
    Source: System Restore
    Date: 2007-11-18 13:32:24
    Event ID: 8193
    Task Category: None
    Level: Error
    Keywords: Classic
    User: N/A
    Computer: Kasia-PC
    Description:
    Failed to create restore point on volume (Process =
    C:\Windows\system32\rundll32.exe /d srrstr.dll,ExecuteScheduledSPPCreation;
    Descripton = Scheduled Checkpoint; Hr = 0x800423f4).
    Event Xml:
    <Event xmlns="http://schemas.microsoft.com/win/2004/08/events/event">
    <System>
    <Provider Name="System Restore" />
    <EventID Qualifiers="0">8193</EventID>
    <Level>2</Level>
    <Task>0</Task>
    <Keywords>0x80000000000000</Keywords>
    <TimeCreated SystemTime="2007-11-18T12:32:24.000Z" />
    <EventRecordID>12640</EventRecordID>
    <Channel>Application</Channel>
    <Computer>Kasia-PC</Computer>
    <Security />
    </System>
    <EventData>
    <Data>C:\Windows\system32\rundll32.exe /d
    srrstr.dll,ExecuteScheduledSPPCreation</Data>
    <Data>Scheduled Checkpoint</Data>
    <Data>0x800423f4</Data>

    <Binary>F423048002020000D60100000000000032CA19E58CAF4DCB010000000000000000000000</Binary>
    </EventData>
    </Event>


    Log Name: Application
    Source: System Restore
    Date: 2007-11-18 13:32:24
    Event ID: 8210
    Task Category: None
    Level: Error
    Keywords: Classic
    User: N/A
    Computer: Kasia-PC
    Description:
    The scheduled restore point could not be created. Additional information:
    (0x800423f4).
    Event Xml:
    <Event xmlns="http://schemas.microsoft.com/win/2004/08/events/event">
    <System>
    <Provider Name="System Restore" />
    <EventID Qualifiers="0">8210</EventID>
    <Level>2</Level>
    <Task>0</Task>
    <Keywords>0x80000000000000</Keywords>
    <TimeCreated SystemTime="2007-11-18T12:32:24.000Z" />
    <EventRecordID>12641</EventRecordID>
    <Channel>Application</Channel>
    <Computer>Kasia-PC</Computer>
    <Security />
    </System>
    <EventData>
    <Data>0x800423f4</Data>

    <Binary>0000000000000000D200000000000000574C29CE5843BE27E26C1C000000000000000000</Binary>
    </EventData>
    </Event>
     
    daissy, Nov 19, 2007
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  5. daissy

    daissy Guest

    My Visa has not created so far by its own initiative any restore points for 4
    months:)
     
    daissy, Nov 19, 2007
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  6. Daissy,

    Do you have UAC turned off?
    Have you taken possession of files structures that formally belonged to the
    system?
    Have you changed permissions on files and structures (registry) the formally
    belonged to the system?

    Changes that result in a system configuration that Microsoft programs are
    expecting can result in those programs not being able to run.

    I am unable to glean any additional hints from the error messages you found,
    hopefully someone with more experience may be able to get a clue from them.
    (that is the right information to forward, I just don't see the needle that
    is in there ;) )

    To confirm: you can manually create a restore point? Have you actually
    restored from one of those restore points?


    When you are in the task schedular at
    Task Schedular (Local)/Task Schedular Library/
    Microsoft/Windows/SystemRestore
    you can right click the SR task and select 'run' which should start it up.
    Does it run successfully that way?
    (Last run result should be The operation completed successfully)


    Under the General tab, my system shows
    Name: SR
    Author: Microsoft Corporation
    Description: This task creates..........
    Security options show
    When running the task, use the following user account: SYSTEM
    (it is here that if you have changed ownership permissions that formally
    belonged to 'SYSTEM' then SYSTEM may no longer be able to access the
    necessary areas.)

    Run whether user is logged on or not is selected.

    Michael

     
    Michael Walraven, Nov 19, 2007
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  7. daissy

    daissy Guest

    Hi Michael, thank you for information. Pls find below the best answers I
    could provide to your questions:
    --
    /daissy


    NO, IT IS ON
    IF SO, THAN NOT CONCIOUSLY AND I DOUBT I'D BE ABLE DO IT BY MISTAKE AS I
    BARELY KNOW WHAT IT MEANS:)
    I HAVE INFENEON TECHNOLOGIES SECURITY PLATFORM INSTALLED USING INFENEON
    TRUSTED PLATFORM MODULE WHICH
    MAYBE HAVE SOME INFLUENCE AS IT DEALS WITH FILES ENCRYPTION, AUTOMATIC
    BACKUP, ETC.
    I CAN MANUALLY CREATE RESTORE POINTS BUT I DID NOT TRY YET TO RESTORE FROM
    ONE.
    IT WAS THEN WHEN I HAD A NEED TO RESTORE WHEN I DISCOVERED I HAVE NO RESTORE
    POINTS:)
    IT RUNS SUCCESSFULLY AS TASK SCHEDULER SAYS BUT IT DOES NOT CREATE ANY
    RESTORE POINTS AT THE SAME TIME!
    I HAVE THE SAME SETTINGS...
     
    daissy, Nov 19, 2007
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  8. Daissy,
    Your additional information doesn't show me any problems yet.

    Try this,
    start orb
    restore
    (should get a drop down list of programs, select 'Backup and Restore
    Center')
    in left pane select 'Create a restore point or change settings'
    you should get a 'System Properties' window
    The list in Automatic restore points should show the various drives on your
    system. Local Disk (C:)(System) should be listed and it should be checked.
    Along side that should be the most recent restore point for each disk(s).


    Just as a check the system needs at least 300 MB free on the drive, which
    should not be a problem but you should check that also.

    Michael
    (I am running out of ideas pretty fast here!)

     
    Michael Walraven, Nov 19, 2007
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  9. daissy

    daissy Guest

    Hi Michael,


    I have 33 GB free on my C drive which is checked for creating restore
    points. And the last restore point is the one I created manually 2 weeks
    ago:) I guess I will need to get used to the idea that it does not work
    automatically on my computer...

    Thank you for trying, if you come up with some solution in future let me
    know here:)

    Regards,
     
    daissy, Nov 27, 2007
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  10. Well, also no automatic system restore point will be made if the computer is
    always busy, it needs to be idle to start the process.
    You could check for computer activity by
    Start orb
    reliability and performance monitor

    the starting view is of four graphs, the left one shows cpu usage, if usage
    shows more than a few percent when you are not doing anything then some
    process is keeping the computer busy - I have been told that some screen
    savers will also hold the machine 'busy'

    I do not know just exactly what constitutes 'idle', for me I once had a
    background task running that was part of a global molecular folding program,
    it kept machine busy, no restore points made.

    Michael
     
    Michael Walraven, Nov 27, 2007
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  11. daissy

    daissy Guest

    I tried before with that one as well. I changed the options in task scheduler
    so it starts the process even if computer is not idle but that did not help
    neither:( I am giving up on that.
     
    daissy, Dec 11, 2007
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  12. daissy

    Bob Smiley Guest

    Whats "start orb"? I tried that at the command line or in the start/run box,
    and it isn't recognized as a valid computer program or command. Is it an
    acronym?

    Thanks,
    Bob
     
    Bob Smiley, Dec 17, 2007
    #12

  13. No. It's not a command, it's a thing. The start orb is that circular
    thing with the multicolored flag on it, at the leftmost position of
    the Task Bar (assuming that your Task Bar is at its default position
    at the bottom of the screen. It's what you click to get the start
    menu.
     
    Ken Blake, MVP, Dec 17, 2007
    #13
  14. daissy

    Bob Smiley Guest

    Thanks (boy am I embarrassed). -Bob

     
    Bob Smiley, Dec 17, 2007
    #14

  15. You're welcome. Glad to help. And no need to be embarrassed.
     
    Ken Blake, MVP, Dec 17, 2007
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