When is 64-bit OS going to be the only windows

Discussion in 'Windows 64 Bit' started by shadow, Dec 19, 2007.

  1. Naturally - if you program by 'hardwiring', tubes are a lot better!


    Tony. . .


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    Tont Sperling, Dec 20, 2007
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  2. Seeing that 'backward compatibility' was flushed out with DOS, aren't we
    going to be much more concerned about forward compatibility?


    Tony. . .


     
    Tont Sperling, Dec 20, 2007
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  3. shadow

    Carlos Guest

    Let us not forget the Texas Instruments TI99/4A personal computer.
    It was 16 bit when the rest was 8 bit.

    Tubes are great for audio, much better than transistors.
    The reason is very, but very simple.
    When they reach distortion, they do it with even harmonics which happen to
    be pleasant to the ear.
    Transistors generate odd harmonics when distorting and that accounts for
    their harsh sound.
    The ear doesn't like odd harmonics.

    The last tube variety that was still standing, the CRT, is slowly dying due
    to the fast advance of LCD.
    Long live the tube!

    Carlos
     
    Carlos, Dec 20, 2007
    #43
  4. I still have a working HP 67 which had 256 bytes of memory and it don't
    think it is even 8-bits.
     
    Colin Barnhorst, Dec 20, 2007
    #44
  5. Oh, yes - I was a great fan of those kinds of tubes. I had a batch of french
    military tubes that were built for radar equipment, they were absolutely
    fantastic! I don't know if age has had an influence, or if computer aided
    filtering techniques changed enough but now I cannot say that I can actually
    hear a significant difference any longer - the days are definitely (and
    sadly) gone when I would like to invest in a Huffmann amp. I miss both
    interpretations of their friendly glow!


    Tony. . .

    (P.S. - I have no idea what happened to my signature - I tried to change it
    but it refuses to be corrected)
     
    Tont Sperling, Dec 20, 2007
    #45
  6. There are already ways to be fully compatible with 32 bit Windows in 64bit
    Windows. Programs like Virtual Server and Virtual PC, for example, create an
    entire 32-bit emulated environment in which any 32-bit program can run.
    They're slower than those that will run natively in WOW64, but you can even
    run 16 bit applications in a virtual machine.

    I would be astonished if MS chose to do anything additional to the next
    version of Windows to increase support for 32-bit programs beyond what
    they're already doing. There will, certainly, be better and faster
    virtualization technologies in it - the new Hyper-V of Windows Server 2008
    is a huge step forward in that direction, though it's still lacking key
    features that I think are necessary.

    MS has already announced that the next version of Windows Server will NOT be
    available in 32bit. Good. There has stopped being any good reason for
    running 32-bit on Servers. But I strongly suspect that the next version of
    the Windows Client OS will still have a 32-bit version. I may be wrong, and
    MS certainly hasn't committed one way or another, but there have been
    enough hints that they'll draw the line for server but give clients one more
    round.

    --
    Charlie.
    http://msmvps.com/xperts64
    http://mvp.support.microsoft.com/profile/charlie.russel


     
    Charlie Russel - MVP, Dec 20, 2007
    #46
  7. shadow

    shadow Guest

    Your right I just don't want to be out of date on newer technology and I see
    64-bit looks Promising for a new OS with backware 32-bit computing, I... just
    want to be in the loop
     
    shadow, Dec 20, 2007
    #47
  8. shadow

    John Barnes Guest

    Sorry, but Colin is already immensely respected around here, but it is
    palpable that his literate style and subtle humour are miles above the heads
    of many of the late comers to this group. Truly sad that this group has
    degenerated to the level of a kindergarten food squabble.
     
    John Barnes, Dec 21, 2007
    #48
  9. There will always be a few. But _we_ know the good ones, and can ignore the
    others. ;)
     
    Charlie Russel - MVP, Dec 21, 2007
    #49
  10. shadow

    Tony Harding Guest

    Unlike you, I'm afraid. Geez, what did Colin ever do?
     
    Tony Harding, Dec 23, 2007
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  11. shadow

    Tony Harding Guest

     
    Tony Harding, Dec 23, 2007
    #51
  12. shadow

    Tony Harding Guest

    Speaking of tubes <g>, I encountered my first computer at the tender age
    of 16. It was an IBM 650 with drum memory. Memory access was slow enough
    that the instruction format included the address of the next instruction
    (no NSI here).
     
    Tony Harding, Feb 12, 2008
    #52
  13. shadow

    Puteh Guest

    Just to add salt here..remember..

    1. Sinclair ZX Spectrum
    2. Amstrad
    3. Commodore PET

    I used to have a C64 before but all eaten up by termites.......

    To conclude Windows XP Pro x64 user here and still proud using it.....
     
    Puteh, Aug 21, 2008
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  14. shadow

    Bill BILL Guest

    As it stands right now, I have an example to use: Step sons computer is true 64 Bit with XP. It has been hit with 253 virus. All of which are inert. "Not Active" this is not because of the Antivirus software that is on it, which at the time I could only install Symantec 32 Bit. It is because these viruses are true 32 bit and could not function in the 64 Bit world. I finally was able to get the 64 Bit Symantec and it found only 1 virus that was 64 Bit and it cleaned it. It listed the other 252 virus but noted them as no threat. Now you tell me which platform do you want to run? Me, it's 64 Bit all the way! Let the third parties get up to speed. There is a real easyway for them to do it also. Just insist on 64 Bit apps. Don't buy the 32 Bit apps. You will see sales folks screamming at there manufactures to change to the 64 bit apps, because we can say all that we want but it is the sales folks that get it to happen. So scream at sales. They will make it happen!....This will spark the economy! BIG TIME!



    Colin Barnhorst wrote:

    32-bit software runs natively under 64-bit Windows, including viruses.
    19-Dec-07

    32-bit software runs natively under 64-bit Windows, including viruses. OS X
    doesn't have as many viruses because nobody cares about OS X. It has too
    small a market share to be any fun attacking it. All the action is in the
    Windows world

    MS isn't going to share any code with third-party manufacturers. It's code
    is proprietary

    The makers of third party software are responsible for supporting 64-bits.
    Gripe at them, not MS. MS is not some government agency that goes around
    telling people what they have to do. The marketplace will take of that in
    good time


    Previous Posts In This Thread:

    When is 64-bit OS going to be the only windows
    When is microsoft going to make a OS only on 64-bit computing not 32-bit i am
    waiting for that to happening, Microsoft need to stop making 32-bit and start
    on nexts gen-computing 64-bit and they to give the Companys the new software
    to start working on 64-bit software projects when is microsoft going to do
    this. everybody is tire of 32-bit windows and want the new 64-bit windows we
    can not wait

    Windows Server 2008 will be the last server with a 32-bit version.
    Windows Server 2008 will be the last server with a 32-bit version. MS has
    not decided if Vista will be the last client with a 32-bit version.
    Probably not, though, considering the hundreds of millions of 32-bit
    machines out there now

    Why does MS need to stop making 32-bit? What's wrong with it? MS is
    supporting 64-bit sufficiently that they don't need to stop supporting
    32-bit in 64-bit's favor. It is not either/or. Anyway, it is the
    third-party software folks who need to increase their support for 64-bit,
    not MS


    MS need start supporting 64-bit OS third-party software need to support for
    MS need start supporting 64-bit OS third-party software need to support for
    64-bit i saw bill gates keynotes about 64-bit OS it looks more better then
    32-bit OS i also use 64-bit OS its more faster then 32-bit and its more safer
    then 64-bit OS all the Virus are in 32-bit that could be why mac OS X have no
    virus, MS need to start sharing there Final Version of the OS code to
    third-party because they can start develop more better software for the new
    64-bit OS, When MS said something they don't always do it. i am happy for
    Window Server 2008 is the last 32-bit version now people can be safer. I also
    no more and more people have 64-bit intel Processor or AMD Processor

    :

    32-bit software runs natively under 64-bit Windows, including viruses.
    32-bit software runs natively under 64-bit Windows, including viruses. OS X
    doesn't have as many viruses because nobody cares about OS X. It has too
    small a market share to be any fun attacking it. All the action is in the
    Windows world.

    MS isn't going to share any code with third-party manufacturers. It's code
    is proprietary.

    The makers of third party software are responsible for supporting 64-bits.
    Gripe at them, not MS. MS is not some government agency that goes around
    telling people what they have to do. The marketplace will take of that in
    good time.


    32-bit runs under 64-bit windows that a lie 32-bit software is Incomplete with
    32-bit runs under 64-bit windows that a lie 32-bit software is Incomplete
    with windows 64-bit and windows 64 is the future of windows kid for being a
    MVP you don't no your windows that well

    :

    Re: When is 64-bit OS going to be the only windows


    That is not the problem, the problem is the other guys. It seems like
    everyone just ignores 64bit. The software of today is for 32 bit OS so why
    waste money and buy Windows XP 64 or Vista 64 bit if other vendors don't
    support them? Besides, computer magazines claim that Vista is slower than
    XP. Go figure.

    Nonsense.
    Nonsense. There isn't even a 64-bit version of Office and it runs just fine
    on my Vista Ultimate x64 box. The 64-bit processors contain all the
    standard instructions for running x86 software. That's why you see "86_64"
    describing the Intel Core processors. That's also why the newer x64
    instruction set is called "extensions."

    In any case, if 32-bit software couldn't run there would be no reason to
    have the WOW64 layer or to have the Programs Files(x86) folder in x64
    Windows.

    I don't want to resort to suggesting that you could drive at your IQ without
    risking getting a ticket, but you do need to better inform yourself on
    what's up these days with running software on the new operating systems.



    All of you download 64-bit windows XP and see the speed of 64-bit and
    All of you download 64-bit windows XP and see the speed of 64-bit and
    performance of 64-bite use it for one day and come back here wote the good
    and bad things about windows XP 64-bit ok and you will see the power of a
    real OS and a Normal OS 32-bit system, The future of all OS is 64-bit and
    look at the pass OS 32-bit

    :

    What the heck do you think the people in a newsgroup titled "microsoft.public.
    What the heck do you think the people in a newsgroup titled
    "microsoft.public.windows.64bit.general" are running? Commodore 64's?

    I think that it would be more important to improve Windows for the future many
    I think that it would be more important to improve Windows for the future
    many multi core cpu's that will be coming out. Also hybrid cpu's that
    include gpu cores or other types of cores besides general purpose cpu cores.
    Also what about 128 bit? Wouldn't there be benefits to have 128 bit
    functionality inside of a cpu? I don't mean about the amount of memory that
    can be accessed with 128 bit addressing, but about math type computing.



    I think you are confusing drivers with applications.
    I think you are confusing drivers with applications. drivers must be 64 bit
    on the 64 bit o/s, applications can be 32 bit or 64 bit.

    I have a Commodore 64 sitting beside me.
    I have a Commodore 64 sitting beside me.
    As I pick it up I see that one of the keys on the keyboard has broken.
    Apparently my Sony Betamax fell over onto my commodore 64 computer and broke
    it.
    I have got to put these valuable antiques away into a vault for safe
    keeping.



    Re: When is 64-bit OS going to be the only windows
    And, apparently you do not 'know' how to spell correctly!


    shadow wrote:

    shadow,Colin is, among others, one of the most respected guys in this NG.
    shadow,
    Colin is, among others, one of the most respected guys in this NG.
    He is very knowledgeable and deserves your respect.
    Carlos

    :

    It's great that you are so passionate about computing and its future.
    It's great that you are so passionate about computing and its future. You
    might want to have a look at the difference between the same generation of
    Intel and Motorola processors. It is interesting how their respective choice
    of memory architecture has influenced the design of the CPU and the
    influence that has had on OS design. (early MS and Apple/Mac OSs)

    Also of interest is a comparison of the assembly language code needed to
    multiply floating point numerals on each processor. It is also interesting
    to compare the amount of code with the same processor using 8,16,32 bits
    respectively. It is also interesting to note the difference in code
    complexity when a seemingly simple question must be answered: is x=y? (That
    translates, in machine terms, to: is the content of one given stack,
    register, or memory location the same as the content in another given stack,
    register, or memory location?)

    How I ramble on. Dude, I hope your interest continues!

    Tom Ferguson



    Hi, Gary.Wow! A 64-bit Commodore! When was that built - about 1980?
    Hi, Gary.

    Wow! A 64-bit Commodore! When was that built - about 1980?

    Oh. Not 64-bit. But 64 KILObytes of RAM? Let's see now, I just doubled
    the RAM in my 64-bit computer to 4 GIGAbytes of PC-6400. How's that for
    progress! ;<)

    My guess is that "shadow" was not yet born when that Commodore 64 was built.
    ;^}

    By the way, did you see the January 2008 issue of PC World magazine? On
    page 81 is a small report on the new Commodore GX gaming machine. They
    looked at the $3,000 model. ;<)

    RC
    --
    R. C. White, CPA
    San Marcos, TX

    Microsoft Windows MVP
    (Running Windows Live Mail 2008 in Vista Ultimate x64)


    yea what about 128-bit computing and new Processor that are going out you MVPs
    yea what about 128-bit computing and new Processor that are going out you
    MVPs no info about this yet, I no about commodore 64 i us one in my life time
    so it was cool but i am happy that new computers are more better then old
    commodore was

    :

    I can see you with a Commodore 64. I used to sell them.
    I can see you with a Commodore 64. I used to sell them.

    Is there away MS can find to change the code because windows can Enable 64-bit
    Is there away MS can find to change the code because windows can Enable
    64-bit to got a performance boost on a 32-bit OS if people have a 64-bit
    Processor is it possible

    :

    I was on the MSX bandwagon.
    I was on the MSX bandwagon.
    MSX standed for "Microsoft Extended"
    A wild experiment between MS and the japanese industry that produced what I
    consider the best 8 bit computers of their age.
    They even had graphic acceleration before the PC did.
    Sadly the marked decided otherwise.
    Carlos

    :

    Re: When is 64-bit OS going to be the only windows
    On Wed, 19 Dec 2007 09:54:00 -0800, Carlos


    I loved my BBC model B. It was so modern, you could add a 360kB (later
    720kB) floppy drive :)) Decent keyboard and all. And I used to be able to
    program it with 6502-assembler, and do home-automation with it. Ahhh the
    fun :-D

    jud

    To answer such a question fully, you might want to have a look at the topic of
    To answer such a question fully, you might want to have a look at the topic
    of emulation-writing code that lets the code written for one set of hardware
    run on another.

    The short answer is that it is possible but not simple. In effect, you could
    set up a system that would install on either a 32 or 64 bit system. It would
    be possible to distribute a 64 bit system only and install an emulator
    package so the 32 bit processor would run the emulator which the OS would
    use as if, together they were a physical 64 bit processor. Performance would
    suffer somewhat. In the interests of optimizing the system for best
    performance, MS (and various distributions of Linux) have chosen to
    distribute specific systems for each on separate media or by separate
    download packages.

    You might be interested in looking into the MS WOW system found in various
    MS OSs.

    Tom Ferguson



    No.
    No. The OS source code has to be compiled with the 64-bit target flag set
    in order to create a 64-bit system.

    Re: When is 64-bit OS going to be the only windows
    Fine, homes, ask him to pull his pants down and I will kiss his ass. Ya want
    yours kissed, too?

    Re: When is 64-bit OS going to be the only windows
    ....And now you are peddling Windows. What an upgrade, keep this up and
    you will become real respected one day :(

    Re: When is 64-bit OS going to be the only windows
    Soore he spills currectly. I knew pracisly whet he sez. If the dude cannot
    spoil it out for yourself, meybe it is your nowledge who cannot spill
    corrictly?

    Awesume, Dood!
    Awesume, Dood!

    Re: When is 64-bit OS going to be the only windows
    I have not sold computers since 1991.

    Interesting.
    Interesting. We both read the same words and, it seems, saw different
    questions.

    Tom Ferguson

    No surprise to me. I found the post hard to read."Tom Ferguson" <tom.
    No surprise to me. I found the post hard to read.

    Ditto. And possibly something different still was being asked.
    Ditto. And possibly something different still was being asked. We awai
    developments. <g

    Tom Ferguson

    so it is possible then this so cool MS better hard at work trying to do this
    so it is possible then this so cool MS better hard at work trying to do this
    with windows 7 then and stop making it for one type of processor, so MVP what
    do you no about windows 7

    :

    It still in the planning stages. No beta bits for a while yet.
    It still in the planning stages. No beta bits for a while yet. MS i
    focused on getting Windows Server 2008 out the door in February.

    Hello!
    Hello


    http://blogs.msdn.com/descapa/archi...ote-2007-why-it-isn-t-there-in-64-bit-x64.asp
    [quote
    Send to OneNote 2007 print driver is currently not available on any of the 64-bit OSe
    [/quote

    http://support.microsoft.com/kb/927383/en-u

    Cheers, Roman

    That's strange - the Send to OneNote 2007 works just great here on Ultimate
    That's strange - the Send to OneNote 2007 works just great here on Ultimate
    x64. I've used it to send webpages to OneNote

    --
    Jane, not plain ;) 64 bit enabled :-
    Batteries not included. Braincell on vacation ;-
    MVP Windows Shell/Use


    so MVP is there news about developer making windows 64-bit backwared with
    so MVP is there news about developer making windows 64-bit backwared with
    32-bit windows on windows 7 or is it is it going to be like windows vista we
    have to wait for a service pack to see

    :

    Re: When is 64-bit OS going to be the only windows
    Colin
    I was going to jump in earlier but decided to wait. I couldn't afford a
    Commodore 64, but I still have a Vic20 in the basement. Have a great day

    --
    Dennis Pac
    XP x64 SP2, Vista Enterprise x6
    Office Professional Plus 200

    Hi!
    Hi!

    I know, its right next to the Timex-Sinclair.
    I know, its right next to the Timex-Sinclair. ;)

    I'm kinda feeling nostalgic down here (sob!).Are we getting THAT old?
    I am kinda feeling nostalgic down here (sob!)
    Are we getting THAT old
    Carlo

    :

    Re: When is 64-bit OS going to be the only windows
    Uh-huh.

    Well, as the other guys reminisce about their mis-spent youth with Vic-20s,
    Well, as the other guys reminisce about their mis-spent youth with Vic-20s,
    Commodore 64s, Sinclairs and the like (Altair, anyone?), all I can say about
    your question, aside from the fact that I don't know exactly what you are
    asking, is that I have no knowledge of Microsoft's plans

    To


    {Snip}

    So MVP is there news about developer making windows 64-bit backwared with
    So MVP is there news about developer making windows 64-bit backwared with
    32-bit windows on windows 7 or is it is it going to be like Windows Vista we
    have to wait for a service pack to see


    :

    Stop, stop, I'm beginning to really feel my age.
    Stop, stop, I'm beginning to really feel my age. My first computer actually
    was a TS-1000....but IIRC, it had 4KB of ram, not 2 that wikipedia says it
    had. I could be wrong, that was a long time ago, after all....Hmm, my main
    workstation today has 4GB of ram, my first computer had .000004GB of ram...

    Does anyone here want to hear about how when I got my FCC General class
    license, how most of the test was on tube circuitry? We didn't do much with
    those new-fangled transistor thingys back then. Tubes just worked so much
    better <ggggg>




    The radar sets I works on in the Air Force had both mini-tubes and transistors.
    The radar sets I works on in the Air Force had both mini-tubes and
    transistors.

    "Zootal" <Don't send me any freaking spam at zootal dot com remove the don't
    send me any freaking spam> wrote in message

    Naturally - if you program by 'hardwiring', tubes are a lot better!
    Naturally - if you program by 'hardwiring', tubes are a lot better!


    Tony. . .


    "Zootal" <Don't send me any freaking spam at zootal dot com remove the don't
    send me any freaking spam> wrote in message

    Seeing that 'backward compatibility' was flushed out with DOS, aren't we going
    Seeing that 'backward compatibility' was flushed out with DOS, are not we
    going to be much more concerned about forward compatibility?


    Tony. . .

    Let us not forget the Texas Instruments TI99/4A personal computer.
    Let us not forget the Texas Instruments TI99/4A personal computer.
    It was 16 bit when the rest was 8 bit.

    Tubes are great for audio, much better than transistors.
    The reason is very, but very simple.
    When they reach distortion, they do it with even harmonics which happen to
    be pleasant to the ear.
    Transistors generate odd harmonics when distorting and that accounts for
    their harsh sound.
    The ear doesn't like odd harmonics.

    The last tube variety that was still standing, the CRT, is slowly dying due
    to the fast advance of LCD.
    Long live the tube!

    Carlos

    :

    I still have a working HP 67 which had 256 bytes of memory and it don't think
    I still have a working HP 67 which had 256 bytes of memory and it do not
    think it is even 8-bits.

    Oh, yes - I was a great fan of those kinds of tubes.
    Oh, yes - I was a great fan of those kinds of tubes. I had a batch of french
    military tubes that were built for radar equipment, they were absolutely
    fantastic! I don't know if age has had an influence, or if computer aided
    filtering techniques changed enough but now I cannot say that I can actually
    hear a significant difference any longer - the days are definitely (and
    sadly) gone when I would like to invest in a Huffmann amp. I miss both
    interpretations of their friendly glow!


    Tony. . .

    (P.S. - I have no idea what happened to my signature - I tried to change it
    but it refuses to be corrected)

    There are already ways to be fully compatible with 32 bit Windows in 64bit
    There are already ways to be fully compatible with 32 bit Windows in 64bit
    Windows. Programs like Virtual Server and Virtual PC, for example, create an
    entire 32-bit emulated environment in which any 32-bit program can run.
    They're slower than those that will run natively in WOW64, but you can even
    run 16 bit applications in a virtual machine.

    I would be astonished if MS chose to do anything additional to the next
    version of Windows to increase support for 32-bit programs beyond what
    they're already doing. There will, certainly, be better and faster
    virtualization technologies in it - the new Hyper-V of Windows Server 2008
    is a huge step forward in that direction, though it's still lacking key
    features that I think are necessary.

    MS has already announced that the next version of Windows Server will NOT be
    available in 32bit. Good. There has stopped being any good reason for
    running 32-bit on Servers. But I strongly suspect that the next version of
    the Windows Client OS will still have a 32-bit version. I may be wrong, and
    MS certainly hasn't committed one way or another, but there have been
    enough hints that they'll draw the line for server but give clients one more
    round.

    --
    Charlie.
    http://msmvps.com/xperts64
    http://mvp.support.microsoft.com/profile/charlie.russel



    Your right I just don't want to be out of date on newer technology and I see
    Your right I just do not want to be out of date on newer technology and I see
    64-bit looks Promising for a new OS with backware 32-bit computing, I... just
    want to be in the loop

    :

    Sorry, but Colin is already immensely respected around here, but it is
    Sorry, but Colin is already immensely respected around here, but it is
    palpable that his literate style and subtle humour are miles above the heads
    of many of the late comers to this group. Truly sad that this group has
    degenerated to the level of a kindergarten food squabble.




    There will always be a few.
    There will always be a few. But _we_ know the good ones, and can ignore the
    others. ;)

    --
    Charlie.
    http://msmvps.com/xperts64
    http://mvp.support.microsoft.com/profile/charlie.russel

    Re: When is 64-bit OS going to be the only windows

    I built an Altair 8800B in 1978. It was not like a Heathkit.

    I USED and supported a VERY large number of early "Microcomputers".

    I was heavily involved in the C64 (1983) and XT clone (1985)
    explosions.

    In each case I was heavily immersed, eating sleeping and breathing
    that market.

    I found it interesting that somebody ridiculed the C64 because
    properly
    cabled to the 1702 monitor it actually BEAT early IBM CGA (RGB) video.

    I also found it interesting that somebody taunted about Beta video
    tape.
    But the Beta story is really about how lower technology (VHS)
    triumphed
    over technically superior (digital!) Beta technology because of COST
    and marketing strategy.

    Beta is STILL not dead in TV studios.

    I have seen heavily hyped products that were garbage.
    I have seen "sleeper" products, hardly mentioned that ROCKED!
    I have seen really good stuff that got overlooked completely.
    I have seen what looks like the myth about lemmings going over a
    cliff.

    I got to perform an ""autopsy"" on a 3 year old early Plasma TV.
    (3 year life expectancy on a $5000 TV? No thanks! )
    (They're supposed to have a better life expectancy now.)

    A huge part of computer purchasing is about EGO even today.
    With my background I am amused that people see their
    computer as an extension of their male private parts,
    similar to the bragging people do on fancy cars.

    If you surveyed the public about Vista I would bet that
    most people mistakenly think that Vista is already a 64 bit OS.

    shadows comments might be because of this misperception.
    People want instant gratification and at the same time don't
    want something that will be out of date tomorrow.

    As the PC platform has somewhat stabilized,
    I personally think that people are less satisfied
    with planned obsolescence on the old timetable.
    As the technology gets more powerful there is
    still a market force trying to grab onto something
    that will last LONGER than the old standard
    3 years old and throw it away mentality.

    The Green stuff is not ONLY about eco kooks.

    Making stuff that goes in the landfill when it's
    only 3 years old is getting old.

    Economics is an issue.

    I am posting this from a 2001 era PC that was literally
    pulled out of a dumpster three years ago.

    I am studying XP x64 and Vista but VERY CAREFULLY.

    Re: When is 64-bit OS going to be the only windows
    Shadow:

    Don't buy "cutting edge" technology unless you have money to burn.

    On the "bang for buck" rating scale, how would you honestly
    score the "cutting edge" 64 bit hardware?

    You complained yourself about the level of support for x64 technology.

    Have you noticed that a lot of people who do own 64 bit technology
    are not running a 64 bit OS?

    When you buy a car, is it all about ego and bragging rights?

    You can expect that a goodly percentage of people who
    talk up the very latest technology have almost turned
    their investment into a cult like religion.

    If your ego ever tugs at you when you see the pretty
    cars go by somewhere, just remember that most
    cars are actually owned BY THE BANK.

    Instead of the toys being a projection of your male ego,
    turn it around and realize that more often than not the
    fancy car means that the bank has somebody's
    nuts in a vice. Why should that boost somebody's ego?

    What kind of car do you drive?
    Does the BANK own it?
    How much of what you pay is INTEREST?

    As you've noticed (system 7) there is always
    a new "King of the hill" but sometimes it's more
    like the Emporer is wearing no clothes.

    In the case of computers, software would be the ""clothes"".

    What kind of investment have you made in software?
    What kind of dollar amount and how long do you think
    it will be current enough to actually use?

    I think Gates and company have become WAY too smug.

    If Linux transitions WELL to 64 bit technology and
    kicks MS around it would be hilarious!





    Re: When is 64-bit OS going to be the only windows
    Greg Lamonte wrote:

    Unlike you, I am afraid. Geez, what did Colin ever do?

    Re: When is 64-bit OS going to be the only windows
    shadow wrote:

    Is English your 2nd language? <serious question, BTW>

    Just to add salt here..remember..1. Sinclair ZX Spectrum2. Amstrad3.
    Just to add salt here..remember..

    1. Sinclair ZX Spectrum
    2. Amstrad
    3. Commodore PET

    I used to have a C64 before but all eaten up by termites.......

    To conclude Windows XP Pro x64 user here and still proud using it.....


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    Bill BILL, Dec 10, 2009
    #54
  15. Many virus makers, like many legitimate application makers, just haven't
    caught up, yet. As 64 bit systems and apps become more popular, so will
    64 bit malware.
     
    Dave \Crash\ Dummy, Dec 11, 2009
    #55
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