Which version to buy? Upgrade or Full

Discussion in 'Windows Vista Installation' started by Kim, Mar 20, 2007.

  1. Kim

    Kim Guest

    I've had the Vista Beta on my computer and have NEVER been able to get it
    stable. I'm hoping that if I purchase the released version it will help. I
    did a completely clean install on the Beta, but I have a Full Home Version of
    XP that was purchased. Do I have to have XP ON the computer to use the
    upgrade version or just provide the disc and the serial number. The $150
    price difference is fairly compelling.
    Kim, Mar 20, 2007
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  2. Technically, you have to have XP installed on the computer. But, if you have
    the license for it, there is a way to do a clean install of Vista from an
    upgrade version.
    Dustin Harper, Mar 20, 2007
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  3. Kim

    HEMI-Powered Guest

    Today, =?Utf-8?B?S2lt?= made these interesting comments ...
    Surely you jest, and don't call me Shirley! If you beta tested it
    for free and couldn't get it to run to your satisfaction, what on
    God's Green Earth would lead you to believe that beta testing on
    your Visa card would be better?

    And, I keep asking this: what is it about XP that is bad or Vista
    that is good in your mind?
    HEMI-Powered, Mar 20, 2007
  4. Kim

    Kim Guest

    I do own the full license completely (not OEM or anything like that, though
    I do have an OEM license for this computer as well), so that is not a
    problem. I just didn't want to have to put XP back on that computer to get
    the install to work.

    I'm now thinking I'd better re-format the hard drive to do a completely
    clean install rather than installing on top of the Beta.
    Kim, Mar 20, 2007
  5. Kim

    Kim Guest

    The answer is I wish. I work for a small software company and the boss has
    declared that Vista WILL be up and running on one of my 10 computers by the
    end of next week. And maybe that way we can find out what is causing our
    software to hang on this <charming> new OS. I'm not willing to sacrifice one
    of the newer computers, so it has to be THIS ONE. The rest are staying XP for
    a while. At least the cost of the software is reimbursable. The boss has to
    buy a whole new computer.
    Kim, Mar 21, 2007
  6. Kim

    BobS Guest


    You've probably read how to do a clean install of Vista using an upgrade
    disk by now buy just in case you haven't. You can make the system into a
    dual boot or even a multi-boot system if you want - or start with a clean

    1. Boot from the Vista DVD. Depending on your configuration and what Vista
    finds for an existing OS (if any) you will be presented with either doing an
    "upgrade" or a "clean install". You want to do a clean install if you have
    a clean disk or want a multi-boot system.

    2. Load Vista but *do not* enter in the activation code and uncheck the auto
    activate box.

    3. Select which version you purchased and are loading up (I'm assuming you
    have Vista Ultimate).

    4. Continue the load and it will go through several reboots until you
    finally get to the Desktop screen. (You may have some incompatibility
    hardware or driver problems and not get that far and you may have to load a
    driver or two at the F6 prompt screen before you're successful.) MS has by
    design, allowed Vista to install over any OS - including Vista in order to
    install it and using the upgrade version works just as well as the

    5. Once you have Vista up and running, don't load any app's or do any
    updates. While in Vista - you are now ready to do an in-place upgrade.
    Eject the DVD and push it back in (that's one way to auto start the DVD) and
    the DVD will start Vista. This time do the *upgrade* of Vista over Vista
    and when the screen asks for the activation code - enter it. You can elect
    to activate via the net or do a manual, by phone activation.

    6. Once this second load of Vista is installed and you're back up and
    running again - you're all set to do the upgrades, load app's or whatever.
    You can delete the windows.old directory since that is just the (now) old
    files from the Vista install.

    If you do a clean install of Vista to a different drive or partition and
    have XP on the system - you can make it a multi-boot system. Vista will
    write the multi-boot record to the XP drive and when you boot the system you
    will have a choice of the legacy OS (WinXP) or Vista. You can download a
    freeware program called VistaBootPro v3 (DAGs for a good download site) and
    use it to modify the boot loader to your liking. This may help

    You don't have to enter the activation codes if you don't want and can
    continue to evaluate the Vista install (32 or 64 bit versions) and use the
    rearm command (also DAGs) to extend the evaluation period out to 120 days -
    and even longer depending on how and when you do it. The
    www.WindowsSecrets.com site has all the articles on the above load
    procedures and a number of other useful tidbits. Click on NewsLetter - Past
    Issues and read the top 7 articles. You may also want to subscribe to this
    newsletter, I've found it very helpful.

    Mind you, if you multi-boot using an upgrade DVD, you need to retire one
    license of a valid OS to be legal. Technically, nothing happens if you
    don't. Vista does not wipe your XP key off the face of the earth or report
    you to the cops. But your company has certain legal obligations as per the
    EULA and not all the EULA's are the same for the Vista versions. The EULA
    allows a lot of flexibility in running certain versions (Ultimate and
    Business as I recall) in Virtual PC mode.

    I presently have Vista x86, x64 and WinXP Pro in a multi-boot configuration
    on this system and I used the above procedures. These are not work-arounds
    or technical magic - they are allowed by Vista and once you read thru those
    articles I believe you'll find that there is nothing illegal or unethical in
    using the MS provided -undocumented- features. If you or anyone wants to
    argue any of the legal aspects, I would suggest you contact a lawyer and not
    ask me - I'm not a lawyer.

    Bob S.
    BobS, Mar 21, 2007
  7. Kim

    HEMI-Powered Guest

    Today, =?Utf-8?B?S2lt?= made these interesting comments ...
    Understood. Will he/she allow you to build a dual-boot machine? If
    yes, you can be safe and secure and also not incur the ire of your
    HEMI-Powered, Mar 21, 2007
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