Why asterisks?

Discussion in 'Windows Live Mail' started by Ray, May 17, 2012.

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    Ray Guest

    Please enlighten a newbie. Why are asterisks used instead of apostrophes?
    Ray, May 17, 2012
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    Bruce Hagen Guest

    In the newsgroups? Apostrophes are used for removed letters in
    contractions such as in the word don't. And, they are used to show
    possession as in: "The bike is Billy's".

    Apostrophes have been used in newsgroups for ages to show *emphasis*.
    Bruce Hagen, May 17, 2012
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    Bruce Hagen Guest

    Of course that should have been: Asterisks have been used in newsgroups
    for ages to show *emphasis*.
    Bruce Hagen, May 17, 2012
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    VanguardLH Guest

    *this text gets bolded*

    /this text gets italicized/

    _this text gets underlined_

    Only works in some NNTP clients (and if configured to support font
    styles). If the NNTP client doesn't support the character delimiters
    for font styles or the option has been disabled, the delimiter
    characters have no effect. Even if the feature is supported and
    enabled, the delimiter characters may still be displayed (with the font

    The above styles are the only ones that I know of since I've used them
    occasionally (mostly the bold style to emphasis a word or phrase).
    Someone that uses WLM will have to tell if they work in that client.
    VanguardLH, May 17, 2012
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    BillW50 Guest

    You made me fire up my Windows 7 machine with WLM 2009. No, WLM 2009
    doesn't support delimiters. I don't have WLM 2011 installed currently on
    any of my machines, so I can't check that version.
    BillW50, Jun 1, 2012
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    BillW50 Guest

    In BillW50 typed:
    It does for OE6 with QuoteFix and Thunderbird (all versions I believe,
    some for sure).
    BillW50, Jun 1, 2012
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    Magnus Guest

    FWIW... looks fine w/Tbird
    Magnus, Jun 2, 2012
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    BillW50 Guest

    Actually, no it doesn't. As TB is also showing the delimiters too.
    QuoteFix hides those like it is supposed too.
    BillW50, Jun 2, 2012
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    VanguardLH Guest

    Like when using QuoteFix to modify the behavior of OE, there are add-ons
    that modify the behavior of Thunderbird. I believe the QuoteColors
    add-on for Tbird has a "Enable font effects" option with a sub-option
    "Don't display font effect delimiters" for showing/hiding the formatting
    symbols. There are probably other add-ons that also have this feature
    but that's the one that I remember.


    There are t-o-n-s of add-ons to Tbird for options that should have been
    brought out of the CSS config files to get exposed in the config UI.
    Users should not be expected to edit the config files or get add-ons
    that assist them with editing those files. Since the settings are
    there, they really should be in the config UI. I remember when I
    trialed Tbird that I had to get lots of add-ons just to bring out the
    otherwise hidden configuration settings.
    VanguardLH, Jun 2, 2012
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    BillW50 Guest

    In VanguardLH typed:
    And what versions of TB would these work for? And are they compatible
    with TB Portable releases? Then there is the problem of overcoming TB
    many weaknesses. Which requires more addons. And then TB itself becomes
    unstable (like FF). It is an endless cycle and a road I have been down
    too many times. And frankly, I am no longer fond of chasing a carrot on
    a string anymore. :-(
    BillW50, Jun 2, 2012
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    Magnus Guest

    No. Not really. I'm just using unadulterated vanilla Tbird, and it
    displays VanguardLH's text treatments without an add-on/Quotefix
    (whatever that is).
    Magnus, Jun 2, 2012
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    BillW50 Guest

    In Magnus typed:
    No, you misunderstood. When properly translated, there will be no
    asterisks, slash, or underline characters showing. TB 12.0.1 is indeed
    acting on them, but it is also still showing them as well. The latter is
    wrong. And OE-QuoteFix handles them correctly.
    BillW50, Jun 2, 2012
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    Magnus Guest

    OK... I'm tracking w/ya now.
    Magnus, Jun 3, 2012
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    VanguardLH Guest

    The download page lists the supported versions of Tbird. However, often
    that only means on what range the add-on's XPI file will test for the
    Tbird version. Often many add-ons will still function in later versions
    of Tbird but you have to edit the .xpi file to extend the upper end of
    the range check.

    ..xpi files are nothing much than .zip files. If you look at them with a
    [hex] editor, you'll see they start with "PK" (for PKzip structure).
    Just unzip the .xpi file, edit the install.rdf file (it's a text file)
    regarding the maxVersion value (to increase the range check), and put
    that .rdf file back in the .xpi file. Then install.

    The download page for the QuoteColors add-on says it supports
    Thunderbird versions 2.0 to 3.1.*. There is a link there for older
    versions of this add-on that were designed for older versions of Tbird.
    I don't know what version of Tbird that you have. Considering Tbird is
    now up at version 12 (it's a pity they adopted Google's versioning
    scheme), I'd have to wonder if the features available in QuoteColors
    aren't already incorporated into Tbird. If not, and if QuoteColors
    won't work in TB 12 then you'll have to check if some other add-on that
    does support the latest version of Tbird will let you hide the font
    style delimiters.

    I haven't bothered using Tbird for a long time when it didn't pass my
    trials regarding criteria for what I wanted in an NNTP client. So my
    recollection of using QuoteColors come from back when I trialed Tbird.
    There may be other add-ons that do the same show/hide of font style
    delimiters. The users over in the Mozilla Tbird newsgroups would know
    of other more current add-ons that do the same thing.

    From my reading of font styles in Tbird, it is configured by editing the
    userContent.css file:

    ..moz-txt-star {font-weight: normal;}
    ..moz-txt-underscore {text-decoration: none !important;}
    ..moz-txt-slash {font-style: normal;}

    That only affects how the text will get displayed within Tbird. That
    will not eliminate the font style delimiters. That would require
    something that modifies the content of the message which means you don't
    get to see what is in the original or true version of the message. That
    would mean, for example, that if someone was showing you some code which
    happened to use slashes for comments that you would see the style effect
    but not be able to see the actual code to paste elsewhere.

    /*Global variables*/
    var = value;

    would be font styling might show the first line as bold italics and the
    delimiters would be missing. So when you copied and pasted the code
    then you would be missing the block comment delimiters and get errors
    when you compiled or executed the code. So removing the font style
    delimiters is probably not a good thing, in general.
    VanguardLH, Jun 3, 2012
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