why do so many messages end up in the recovered items folder?

Discussion in 'Windows Live Mail' started by Roland Schweiger, Mar 16, 2014.

  1. Meanwhile my WLM works all in all quite good - its contents is
    relatively large -
    i have abour 10 eMail accounts, some with subfolders, 2 newsservers
    and sometimes large emails, und lots of spam that i have to delete.

    In the local store folder, there is the folder "recovered items" or
    similar - in my German version it is named "Wiederhergestellte
    Objekte" which means something like restored items.

    I do know that messages end up in there, if the indexing system
    somehow lost them.

    But there are quite numerous messages that end up in this folder,
    mainly unimportant but i wonder why this happens?

    I often put the machine on standby while wlm is open and hope this is
    not the cause.

    Is this behaviour normal or am i aparantly the only one who has so
    many messages stuck in that folder?

    greetings

    Roland Schweiger
     
    Roland Schweiger, Mar 16, 2014
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  2. Roland Schweiger

    ...winston Guest

    Roland Schweiger wrote, On 3/16/2014 1:03 PM:
    > Meanwhile my WLM works all in all quite good - its contents is
    > relatively large -
    > i have abour 10 eMail accounts, some with subfolders, 2 newsservers and
    > sometimes large emails, und lots of spam that i have to delete.
    >
    > In the local store folder, there is the folder "recovered items" or
    > similar - in my German version it is named "Wiederhergestellte Objekte"
    > which means something like restored items.
    >
    > I do know that messages end up in there, if the indexing system somehow
    > lost them.
    >
    > But there are quite numerous messages that end up in this folder, mainly
    > unimportant but i wonder why this happens?
    >
    > I often put the machine on standby while wlm is open and hope this is
    > not the cause.
    >
    > Is this behaviour normal or am i aparantly the only one who has so many
    > messages stuck in that folder?
    >
    > greetings
    >
    > Roland Schweiger
    >

    Recovered messages are an indication of an inability to Index as a
    result of a send/receive, download (mail or news) messages...the most
    common cause is interruption of WLM during that same process or during
    its autopolling (about every 71 minutes). Additionally WLM will attempt
    to validate, update, cleanup its index database, iirc, every 5th
    open....interupption or closure of WLM would have similar
    indexing/recovered potential.

    It's always important to keep in mind. WLM is first and foremost a
    product designed for use with a single signed-on MSFT account for
    contacts and calendar synchronization and that same or additional MSFT
    email accounts (Hotmail type -Hotmai, Live, Msn, Outlook.com) using
    DeltaSync to ensure sync of folders/messages.

    Use of it for anything else is secondary to that design intent. Capable
    but not necessarily with the same level of robustness.

    It's been a few years since WLM code has been modified..thus wysiwyg.



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    ...winston
    msft mvp consumer apps
     
    ...winston, Mar 16, 2014
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  3. "...winston" schrieb im Newsbeitrag
    news:lg54vd$ev3$...
    >Recovered messages are an indication of an inability to Index as a
    >result of a send/receive, download (mail or news) messages...the most
    >common cause is interruption of WLM during that same process or
    >during its autopolling (about every 71 minutes). Additionally WLM
    >will attempt to validate, update, cleanup its index database, iirc,
    >every 5th open....interupption or closure of WLM would have similar
    >indexing/recovered potential.


    Generally i leave WLM open ALL THE TIME when the machine is on, just
    when i press stand-by, i normally leave WLM open and all comes back
    pretty normally when i wake up the computer. So i was wondering if WLM
    maybe does not like going to sleep.


    >It's always important to keep in mind. WLM is first and foremost a
    >product designed for use with a single signed-on MSFT account for
    >contacts and calendar synchronization and that same or additional
    >MSFT email accounts (Hotmail type -Hotmai, Live, Msn, Outlook.com)
    >using DeltaSync to ensure sync of folders/messages.


    >Use of it for anything else is secondary to that design intent.
    >Capable but not necessarily with the same level of robustness.


    >It's been a few years since WLM code has been modified..thus wysiwyg.


    Yep, that's back to the sad unfortunate story that Msft wants to
    abandon WLM and i wonder if they know that so many people are using
    WLM as a multi-purpose multi-messenging system.

    I pretty much know that it is old code but really ... until now, for
    large amounts of mail, i don't see much alternative.
    E.g. my current setting looks approximately like this.
    One hotmail type of account for calendar sync + contacts and contact
    sync.
    Several IMAP accounts with a fair amount of subfolders
    One pop3 account

    A relatively large local store folder --- i often decide deliberately
    which messages remain on the server for other clients to be used,
    or which (especially elderly) messages go into the local store folder.

    Then i also have 2 news servers - one from my isp and one independant.

    Over the years, everything has grown and i dragged it from one machine
    to the next, office things, administrative work, private conversation,
    sometimes eMails with numerous documents attatched to it ..... the
    entire size of WLM's location (the store folder + everything else)
    currently yields to about 3 GB with of course many many small files.

    Probably Msft did indeed never be aware that people would be using wlm
    like i do, but if i understand correctly, i am not the only one :)

    Anyhow, i am glad that at least everything tendentially works fine,
    just was wondering about so many recovered items.

    greetings

    Roland Schweiger
     
    Roland Schweiger, Mar 16, 2014
    #3
  4. Roland Schweiger

    ...winston Guest

    Roland Schweiger wrote, On 3/16/2014 7:08 PM:
    >
    > "...winston" schrieb im Newsbeitrag news:lg54vd$ev3$...
    >> Recovered messages are an indication of an inability to Index as a
    >> result of a send/receive, download (mail or news) messages...the most
    >> common cause is interruption of WLM during that same process or during
    >> its autopolling (about every 71 minutes). Additionally WLM will
    >> attempt to validate, update, cleanup its index database, iirc, every
    >> 5th open....interupption or closure of WLM would have similar
    >> indexing/recovered potential.

    >
    > Generally i leave WLM open ALL THE TIME when the machine is on, just
    > when i press stand-by, i normally leave WLM open and all comes back
    > pretty normally when i wake up the computer. So i was wondering if WLM
    > maybe does not like going to sleep.


    If indexing is occurring or the unchangeable automatic polling then
    sleep could (would) be a possible contributor to 'creation of recovered
    items)
    >
    >
    >> It's always important to keep in mind. WLM is first and foremost a
    >> product designed for use with a single signed-on MSFT account for
    >> contacts and calendar synchronization and that same or additional MSFT
    >> email accounts (Hotmail type -Hotmai, Live, Msn, Outlook.com) using
    >> DeltaSync to ensure sync of folders/messages.

    >
    >> Use of it for anything else is secondary to that design intent.
    >> Capable but not necessarily with the same level of robustness.

    >
    >> It's been a few years since WLM code has been modified..thus wysiwyg.

    >
    > Yep, that's back to the sad unfortunate story that Msft wants to abandon
    > WLM and i wonder if they know that so many people are using WLM as a
    > multi-purpose multi-messenging system.
    >
    > I pretty much know that it is old code but really ... until now, for
    > large amounts of mail, i don't see much alternative.
    > E.g. my current setting looks approximately like this.
    > One hotmail type of account for calendar sync + contacts and contact sync.
    > Several IMAP accounts with a fair amount of subfolders
    > One pop3 account
    >
    > A relatively large local store folder --- i often decide deliberately
    > which messages remain on the server for other clients to be used,
    > or which (especially elderly) messages go into the local store folder.
    >
    > Then i also have 2 news servers - one from my isp and one independant.
    >
    > Over the years, everything has grown and i dragged it from one machine
    > to the next, office things, administrative work, private conversation,
    > sometimes eMails with numerous documents attatched to it ..... the
    > entire size of WLM's location (the store folder + everything else)
    > currently yields to about 3 GB with of course many many small files.
    >
    > Probably Msft did indeed never be aware that people would be using wlm
    > like i do, but if i understand correctly, i am not the only one :)
    >
    > Anyhow, i am glad that at least everything tendentially works fine, just
    > was wondering about so many recovered items.


    It is what it is...MSFT has a long history of deprecating free email
    clients (Exchange, Internet Mail and News, Windows Messaging, OE4/5/6,
    WLM 2008, Windows Mail(Vista). WLM2009 may be next once XP End-of-Life
    passes specifically for POP3/DeltaSync access to
    Hotmail(Outlook.com)servers.

    Windows Live Essentials and Windows Essentials continues to have sizable
    user base (and increasing at some rate with XP End-of-Live approaching).
    In China, Messenger is still available iirc until sometime in 2015.
    Also, as long as Win8's Mail app doesn't provide POP3 protocol and some
    isps not providing IMAP or EAS access the likelihood of WLM disappearing
    for the foreseeable future would seem remote.


    --
    ...winston
    msft mvp consumer apps
     
    ...winston, Mar 27, 2014
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