Why does Vista Ultimate want me to activate AGAIN

Discussion in 'Windows Vista General Discussion' started by N Fiorello, Jun 25, 2007.

  1. N Fiorello

    N Fiorello Guest

    Ok, for the 4th time now, I've gotten the activation pop-up.

    When I installed...ok this one's a given
    When I upgraded my raid from 320g to 500g...ok different HD, a given
    When I upgraded my memory from 2g to 4g...not supposed to according to FAQ

    and now...When I flashed my bios to the latest version.

    And of course, now the 'convenient' activation is used up, I'll need to call
    N Fiorello, Jun 25, 2007
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    KristleBawl Guest

    Why? Because the Activation function is far from perfect.

    Three out of four, Vista would need to be reactivated because it *might*
    have been installed on another computer, but you're exactly right about the
    RAM, it should not have triggerred reactivation. Microsoft said so!

    Personally, I'd send a specific bug report and also regular feedback
    complaining about the unnecessary reactivation. If more of us complain, then
    just *maybe* they'll improve it sooner.


    in message
    KristleBawl, Jun 25, 2007
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  3. Are you running Vista64?


    Mike Hall
    MS MVP Windows Shell/User
    Mike Hall - MVP, Jun 25, 2007
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    Christopher Guest

    Unfortunantely, with Windows Vista if there is a hardware change, usually as
    a HD, RAM, Bios, etc... Windows will want you to active the product again.
    So, conveniently you are going to need to call them.
    Christopher, Jun 25, 2007
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    Stephan Rose Guest

    What is convenient about calling Microsoft and begging to be oh so
    graciously allowed to use the product one paid good money for?

    2003 Yamaha R6

    Stephan Rose, Jun 25, 2007
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    Nicole & Tom Guest

    Or, since you know how to flash the ram, you could download a modified
    one that has the modified info to allow you to activate it as oem. Then
    you will never need to activate again.
    Nicole & Tom, Jun 25, 2007
  7. On Mon, 25 Jun 2007 11:25:00 -0700, Christopher
    What appears to have changed - and no-one's pinned this down as yet -
    is the number of things that change before your OS vandor hatches the
    DoS payload. Vista's supposed to use the same criteria as XP, yet I
    frequently see cases where Vista is more trigger happy.

    NB; there are there activation models...
    - no activation (VLK)
    - BIOS-locked activation, used by big OEMs
    - component-monitored activation, used by the rest
    ....and I'm referring only to the last of these.
    As you say, OK :)

    Not so. Lives lost, would be:
    - HD, if the 320G was removed
    - volume serial number, only if partition wsn't transferred as-is
    - IDE controller, only if original controller was removed

    That's between 1 and 3 "lives" lost, out of 10. That should not be
    enough to trigger the payload, by the rules that applied to XP.

    RAM size is one "life" only, so (unless added to 3 lives lost, e.g. as
    above) this should NOT trigger the payload. Small shifts in RAM
    (e.g.changing the balance between system and onboard graphics) is not
    supposed to lose this "life"; 3G to 4G would be expected to.

    That's not supposed to be a hardware change, so shouldn't kick over
    the component-monitored model. It may or may not kick over the
    large-OEM BIOS-locked model, I dunno.

    However, a new BIOS may enumerate devices differently, causing them to
    appear to have changed, and thus shed comonent "lives". In XP, you
    can watch this via Licenturion's XP-Info, but this doesn't work in
    Vista. Naturally, as MS is hostile to your attempts to see what is
    going on, they provide no tools for you to watch such things.

    BTW, I've seen device firmware changes shed "lives", e.g. updating a
    CD writer's firmware lost that life, and installing drivers for Intel
    graphics (that did an SVGA BIOS flash on the sly) lost that life.

    Post back with your mileage.

    The rights you save may be your own
    cquirke (MVP Windows shell/user), Jun 26, 2007
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    N Fiorello Guest

    No. Since this was an upgrade, I chose to stick with 32 bit. Eventually
    I'll go with a clean 64bit install, but I want to allow more time for driver
    support, and such.

    What really ticks me off is that the last change was NOT hardware at all.

    BIOS=Basic Input Output SOFTWARE

    Also, I'd really have to check my notes, but there's a possibility that I
    upgraded my raid before the initial activation period was over...
    N Fiorello, Jul 5, 2007
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    N Fiorello Guest

    Yea, I could do as you suggest. I did run slmgr -rearm to put the phone call
    off until I actually have time for it... but again it's back to why should I,
    the legal user have to jump through hoops that the pirate can avoid?

    Although I must admit, the last time XP bombed out on me this way, I took
    great pleasure in telling "John, with the foreign accent" that I got my copy
    of XP from the microsoft company store, then launching into a 15 minute
    tirade that MS must be selling illegal copies of it's own software, and they
    should be put to the torch
    N Fiorello, Jul 5, 2007
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    Steve Guest

    It's so typical for Microsoft - throw up roadblocks to annoy
    legitimate users, which have no effect on hackers...


    Whenever I dwell for any length of time on my own shortcomings,
    they gradually begin to seem mild, harmless, rather engaging little things,
    not at all like the staring defects in other people's characters.

    ....Margaret Halsey
    Steve, Jul 5, 2007
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    lol Guest

    i upgraded from a downloaded version of XP to a LEGAL copy of vista.. did i
    have any probleams with XP, nope... but i do with vista.. got 25 days to
    re-active after buying an 8800.. the activetation thing says that ive already
    used the product key....... if it dusnt sort its self out, then iam just
    going to do it illeagly.. ive bought the product key.. if mircosoft dont want
    to help me, then ill take it into my own hands thanks =]
    lol, Aug 25, 2007
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    Cal Bear '66 Guest

    The product key is in use: by YOU!

    Use phone activation. Stay on the phone and speak to a real person. It only
    takes a few minutes.

    It seems that the activation servers are down now and might not be available
    until Tuesday.
    Cal Bear '66, Aug 25, 2007
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