Why doesn't OWA 2003 work with live mail?

Discussion in 'Windows Live Mail' started by Armand Welsh, Feb 19, 2008.

  1. Armand Welsh

    Armand Welsh Guest

    I upgraded from the outlook express to windows live mail. Before the
    upgrade, I was able to get my school email in outlook express via HTTP.
    those same settings no longer work on live mail. and when I try to create a
    new account using the wizard, I receive an authentication error from
    mail.services.live.com/DeltaSync_v1.0.0/ which is trying to authenticate me
    with the wrong login ID.


    Armand Welsh, Feb 19, 2008
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  2. No, you were *not* using Outlook Express to get mail from an Exchange Server
    (OWA) via HTTP. The *only* HTTP services Outlook Express can work with are
    HotMail and MSN. OWA only works with a web browser. If you were using
    Outlook Express with an Exchange Server, you were using either POP3 or IMAP.
    Neither Windows Mail nor Windows Live Mail will allow HTTP access to an
    Exchange Server. Your options are POP3 and IMAP. If you want OWA (Outlook
    Web Access, which is an HTTP representation of an Outlook client that lives
    on the Exchange Server), use IE.

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  3. Gary VanderMolen, Feb 20, 2008
  4. Armand Welsh

    Armand Welsh Guest

    Surely, you can't be serious about this post. Outlook Express, did/does
    connect via HTTP protocol to the Exchange 2000/2003 OWA servers (both as
    bridgehead, and direct) via the WebDAV protocol, as published in a Microsoft
    hosted article (I cannot find it for reference at this moment). The process
    to doing this is the same for both Outlook Express (version 6 or newer), and
    the outlook webmail connector, which is what I am using now with outlook
    2007 as a temporary work-around.

    1) create a new account
    2) select the protocol "http"
    3) select "other" as the provider type (available options are: hotmail, msn,
    4) enter the url as: http://server.dns.name/exchange/mailbox_name (ex:
    https://mail.myserver.com/exchange/Armand.Welsh )
    5) select the login user name, and password for the connection
    6) leave the SPA authentication feature turned off

    Now, upon first connection, the client obtains a list of all the folders
    (calendars, and contacts do not work, due to webDAV content restrictions,
    that prohibit the content to all clients other than IE6 browsers, which I
    personally verfied by creating my own custom webDAV client to pull this
    information, by faking an IE 6/7 browser). Once the folders list is
    obtained, then the client begins downloading the inbox content.
    Armand Welsh, Feb 20, 2008
  5. Armand Welsh

    Armand Welsh Guest

    I did have the problem described in the knowledge base article when
    connecting to my school using the web browser of my vista machine, however,
    I worked around it by tweeking the security settings of the trusted sites
    zone, and adding the site to this zone.

    because of the change I made to my browser, the mailbox always opens in a
    new window, and the site is fully functional. I don't know if this is
    related to the same cause as the kb article, but the symptoms were the same.

    this doesn't affect me either way. I just want to access my exchange mail
    via the OWA WebDAV api, so that I can use my mail client, and not the
    browser, to access my mail, like I used to do.

    It's quite amusing how the person who replied to my message originally,
    completely ignored that fact that I was doing this before the upgrade to the
    new program, dismissing the issue as one that never worked... I guess the
    lack of communication at microsoft, discussed the on the live mail blog
    site, is pretty accurate...

    Armand Welsh, Feb 20, 2008
  6. Armand Welsh

    Victek Guest

    It's quite amusing how the person who replied to my message originally,
    I think the problem here stems from your subject referring to Outlook Web
    Access 2003 (OWA 2003) when in fact you're talking about the loss of hotmail
    ( and similar ) support in Windows Mail compared with Outlook Express.
    Outlook Web Access 2003 does not appear to have anything to do with the
    problem you had. OWA refers to a separate technology that is used in
    conjunction with Outlook and MS Exchange Server to enable users to view
    their email in a web browser instead of the Outlook client.
    Victek, Feb 20, 2008
  7. Armand Welsh

    Ildhund Guest

    Armand Welsh wrote...
    From a post by Andy Glover, Software Engineer on the Windows Live Mail team
    a few months ago:

    "WebDAV is no longer supported in Windows Live Mail. The only HTTP accounts
    that we support are those stored on Hotmail."
    I can't see that anyone from Microsoft has contributed to this thread. Two
    experienced posters, who by their dedication to helping others in
    peer-to-peer forums like this have earned the right to call themselves MVP,
    have tried to point out to you that HTTP access to mail accounts other than
    Hotmail doesn't work in WLMail. If your school doesn't offer IMAP (or POP3)
    access to their Exchange server, then perhaps you ought to try persuading
    them to do so.
    Ildhund, Feb 20, 2008
  8. You have have been accessing your MSN/Hotmail account in OE but it wasn't
    via OWA, Armand.
    PA Bear [MS MVP], Feb 21, 2008
  9. Armand Welsh

    N. Miller Guest

    HTTPMail access with MS Outlook Express requires that the mail server use
    WebDAV. Windows Live Mail does not use WebDAV for HTTPMail access.
    DeltaSync replaces WebDAV for HTTPMail access. If "school" mail servers are
    running a WebDAV utility to allow HTTPMail access, Windows Live Mail will
    not work.

    I don't know what any of that has to do with Outlook Web Access.
    N. Miller, Feb 21, 2008
  10. Armand Welsh

    Guest Guest

    I think I've read that this is likely to happen if the OWA server is
    several months behind in applying updates, since there was one
    several months ago to improve access for Vista users.
    Guest, Mar 1, 2008
  11. Armand Welsh

    pope1096 Guest

    Surely, the responses to the gentlemen's query can not be serious. W
    come to these forums because some of them, this one among them, ar
    excellent resources due to both the experience and the intellect of th
    administrators. However, these virtues make you no better (or worse
    than the inquirer. The snobbery and elitism in these responses makes on
    think that these two administrators displayed were likely bullied i
    their conformable years. Quite sad really. Gentlemen, may I politel
    suggest to walk upstairs, knock on your mothers door, work these issue
    out with her. When you are able to pull yourself together and mo
    asserts that you are nice boys and she is your friend, come back to th
    friendly periphery of the basement and remember that the people com
    here for your help, not your degradation
    pope1096, May 13, 2010
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