Why is Windows Vista such a P.O.S.

Discussion in 'Windows Vista Performance' started by Brian Kitt, Nov 24, 2008.

  1. Brian Kitt

    Chuck Guest

    I have no doubt that some developers are unhappy with Vista, just as they
    have been unhappy with virtually every windows release for one reason or
    another.
    Part of the problem has been incomplete, inaccurate, and dated development
    documentation from MS.
    A classic type of problem is not documenting command or "call" parms and
    return data properly and completely.
     
    Chuck, Nov 27, 2008
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  2. Brian Kitt

    Steve R Guest

    Ok..another Steve heard from. I found my way here because my new laptop is
    constantly crashing. You name it, explorer...sidebar, every time I try to
    load a photo. Etc....I was searching for a patch or update since it is new
    out of the box, but all I see is a lot of unhappy people. I'll take
    suggestions now.
    Thanx
     
    Steve R, Nov 30, 2008
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  3. If you want help you should make a new post and not hijack someone else's.
    After a few days it is unlikely that many will return to this thread. You
    will go unnoticed.
     
    Richard Urban, Nov 30, 2008
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  4. Well, you've a new laptop with problems. Let's see now, what would you
    do if you bought a new car and it wouldn't run properly? What would you
    do with a new TV that only received local broadcast stations? Would you
    even have to ask? Wouldn't you take it back to where you got it and
    demand a working product? Why would you think it'd be any different
    with a computer?


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    Bruce Chambers, Nov 30, 2008
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  5. I've run Vista since early beta and maybe I've been lucky but I haven't had
    a single crash. I admit that I always said Vista was released too early -
    now that has been acknowledged. It certainly isn't, as you put it, ' a
    worthless piece of software', far from it. It has had its problems and those
    are being dealt with as SP1 was released and also SP2 when that is released.

    I also have to say that having used Windows 7 (pre-beta) on a daily basis
    this to hasn't even crashed for me and, let's be honest, one expects
    pre-beta and beta software to do just that - crash.

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    John Barnett MVP, Nov 30, 2008
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  6. Brian Kitt

    Dave T. Guest

    I'm with you John. I've been computing since Win 3.11 and Vista home
    premium is the most solid I have ever used. I quit XP because of the
    crashes. With Vista, 21 months and not a single crash. I remember maybe
    3 times I experienced a non-responsive program that had to be closed and
    re-opened. I think the problem lies with the individual computer makers
    since there are certain manufacturers names that you don't hear much on
    these forums. HP is one. Toshiba is read almost every day.

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    Dave T., Nov 30, 2008
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  7. I found my way here because my new laptop is
    Don't take any suggestions but this: TAKE IT BACK! Get it mended, or your
    money back.

    It isn't Vista that's a P.O.S., it's the manufacturer of your laptop.

    SteveT
     
    Steve Thackery, Nov 30, 2008
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  8. Brian Kitt

    Terry Guest

    THAT IS the ONLY response that matters

     
    Terry, Dec 1, 2008
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  9. Brian Kitt

    DevilsPGD Guest

    In message <> DonQ
    Some are, some aren't -- Some of the pre-installed crap doesn't clean
    nicely, especially with regards to some of their earlier attempts to
    install drivers.

    Flattening and starting over takes so much less time then manually
    removing what you don't want and then upgrading drivers that I've never
    spent much time trying to clean.
     
    DevilsPGD, Dec 1, 2008
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  10. Brian Kitt

    DevilsPGD Guest

    In message <> DonQ
    I found one in the box of my last couple Toshiba notebooks (without
    making special arrangements to have it included, both were purchased
    retail)
     
    DevilsPGD, Dec 1, 2008
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  11. Brian Kitt

    f/fgeorge Guest

    Try http://www.pcdecrapifier.com/ and see if that helps. Leo LaPorte,
    has TONS of podcasts and is a geek that uses down to Earth words,
    recommends it.
     
    f/fgeorge, Dec 1, 2008
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  12. Brian Kitt

    GrahamH Guest

    Im going to add a few pennies worth as well.
    I`ve used microsoft from Dos days and i remember it was quite a strain
    moving from Dos to windows, i liked typing those special config.sys and bat
    files to make the most of the 640kb of base memory!!!!!!
    Seriously though, having migrated to Vista from XP i was at first a bit
    annoyed by the UAC pop ups and general problems installing some software,
    but i think a lot of the problems were down to companies not getting out
    compatible software and drivers (or Microsoft were too early despatching
    Vista.) and so things did`nt install with ease as they did before. I did
    notice an improvement with SP1 and i think its likely to get even better
    with SP2.
    I thinks it looks nice with the Aero enabled and stability has been fine, i
    did have a blue screen on my other pc but that was down to hardware issues.
    Windows 7 is next and how is that going to be an improvement over Vista i
    wonder.
    Maybe John you could answer that as your using a beta version.

    Regards.
    Graham......
     
    GrahamH, Dec 1, 2008
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  13. On Windows 7, Graham, I am restricted to what I can and cannot say. As an
    MVP I have to sign a non disclosure agreement with Microsoft, after all beta
    testers and MVPs are seeing and using something that isn't yet available to
    the public and, unfortunately, what features are available in Windows 7 can
    soon change as Microsoft near RTM (release to manufacturer)

    All I can say from using the pre-beta software is that at first my initial
    response when I installed Windows 7 was 'sorry not impressed', then when I
    started looking around Windows 7 it kind of 'grew' on me and the more I
    'peeked' at it the better it looked. It certainly installs faster and
    startup is faster too. It has some new features and and some older ones have
    had a make over and, of course, it has a better interface, but as for any
    other 'insight' into Windows 7 you'll have to wait and see - well at least
    until we can officially give more details, anyway.

    The same, sadly goes for SP2. I've only come across a couple of minor
    problems and the test machine is in use every single day.


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    John Barnett MVP, Dec 1, 2008
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  14. You hit the nail on the head, Dave, when you said "I think the problem lies
    with the individual computer makers." While Microsoft have accepted the
    blame for the fiasco of Vista, many hardware/software manufacturers sat on
    the fence hoping that the drivers they already had would suffice for Vista.
    As everyone found out, they didn't and, as the launch of Vista got nearer,
    manufacturers/developers couldn't get the drivers out quick enough to
    support their hardware/software. While Microsoft got the major blame, they
    were not responsible for drivers supplied by third party vendors. It was
    just a pity that Microsoft also happened to be just as complacent when it
    come to some of their own hardware drivers not working with Vista, but
    that's an embarrassment that I am sure they will get over:)

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    John Barnett MVP, Dec 1, 2008
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  15. Brian Kitt

    Dave T. Guest


    What can you tell us about Vista SP2? Has it been announced that it is
    in the works? I see at least 2 mentions of it.


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    Dave T., Dec 2, 2008
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  16. Unfortunately, Dave, once again, not a lot. I'm testing it at the moment and
    so far no problems. It is currently in beta with an 'estimated' time for
    deployment of sometime in 2009 - but that could change.

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    John Barnett MVP, Dec 2, 2008
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  17. Brian Kitt

    GrahamH Guest

    "John Barnett MVP"
    are certain manufacturers names that you don't hear much on
    Fair enough i`m not in that much of a hurry for Windows7 so will look with
    interest as things progress.
    I think whenever you try a new O/S it can take time to get used to it and
    first impressions are not always good, but the more you persevere, then like
    you say it can grow on you. New features and improvements are not always
    noticeable straight away and show over time.
    Regards,
    Graham...
    .................
     
    GrahamH, Dec 2, 2008
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  18. Brian Kitt

    DevilsPGD Guest

    In message <> DonQ
    Maybe, but among my friends, family and coworkers every one that has a
    Toshiba came with original media too, although it's not always clearly
    labeled.

    Mine was labeled as an "anytime upgrade DVD", despite the fact that the
    recovery media installs Ultimate, so no anytime upgrade functionality is
    actually needed, and the only key supplied is an Ultimate OEM key that
    will not function in upgrade mode.

    At this point I am assuming that most Toshiba laptops include this DVD,
    although obviously not all users know what it is.
     
    DevilsPGD, Dec 2, 2008
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  19. So you'll like Windows 7 better.
     
    Black Baptist, Feb 16, 2009
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    Gordon Guest


    Why are you replying to a thread that's over TWO months old?
     
    Gordon, Feb 16, 2009
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