why no Windows 7 account or folder here yet?

Discussion in 'Windows Vista Performance' started by Ritter197, Nov 20, 2009.

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    Ritter197 Guest

    why no Windows 7 account or folder or category here yet?
    This is MS and they do not have Anything here about Win7?
     
    Ritter197, Nov 20, 2009
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    Dave Guest

    Dave, Nov 21, 2009
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  3. Microsoft has no Windows 7 newsgroups. And unfortunately it's highly
    unlikely that there will be. Apparently Microsoft has decided that
    web-based forums are better than newsgroups and they are putting their
    efforts there. I'm personally sorry that's the case, but it's their
    decision, not mine.

    However there is at least one non-Microsoft Windows 7 newsgroup:
    alt-windows7.general. Not all servers carry it (at least not yet), but
    here's one free news server that does: aioe.org
     
    Ken Blake, MVP, Nov 21, 2009
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    Questor Guest

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    Hi Ken. I am sorry to hear your assessment, but I agree with it too. I
    like NGs much better than web-based-anythings. I can keep track of many
    NGs using Thunderbird that I just can't with a browser. Darn shame.

    Questor
     
    Questor, Nov 21, 2009
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  5. To me the main difference is that a newsreader can download all the
    messages at once, not one at a time, the way a browser does. The
    result is that I can go through the downloaded messages in a newsgroup
    *much* faster than in a browser, and quickly pick out those I can or
    want to reply to.

    The difference in how long it takes me is at least two to one.
     
    Ken Blake, MVP, Nov 21, 2009
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    Questor Guest

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    Yep. And Thunderbird also has the "Right-click watch/ignore" extension.
    If I don't' want to deal with it I just 'ignore' it. "Stacked view"
    is good too for arranging all the posts.

    Later,

    Q
     
    Questor, Nov 21, 2009
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    Dave T. Guest



    Is it reasonable to assume that the blame for this decision from
    Microsoft can be laid at the feet of that long list of trolls that
    infect the public NG's?

    Dave T.
     
    Dave T., Nov 21, 2009
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    Questor Guest

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    Doubtful; but one never knows. I suspect that a web-based interface is
    much easier to implement and maintain than a NG.

    Q
     
    Questor, Nov 21, 2009
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  9. I'd say the reasoning was its easier to place advertisements on web
    based forums.
     
    Patrick Phillips, Nov 21, 2009
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    Alias Guest

    No, it isn't at all. MS has been planning to go web for years and even
    have a "bridge" so you can access them via Windows Live Mail. The "long
    list of trolls" has been around MS newsgroups since Win 98.

    Alias
     
    Alias, Nov 21, 2009
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    Alias Guest

    Not to mention the control that MS has with web forums.

    Alias
     
    Alias, Nov 21, 2009
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  12. No, I don't think so. I don't know why Microsoft made this decision or
    any other decision, and I'm not willing to make any assumptions about
    why they do anything they do. Your view that the long list of trolls
    are to blame is a reasonable guess, but a guess is a long way from an
    assumption.

    And personally, my view is that there were other better ways to deal
    with trolls, and what they did wasn't necessary. So that's not even my
    guess.
     
    Ken Blake, MVP, Nov 21, 2009
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    Ritter197 Guest

    Great advice and hyperlinks.
    I still prefer Newsgroups, but will use the hyperlinks and forums.
    I think they are much harder to navigate.

    Ritter197
     
    Ritter197, Nov 22, 2009
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    gordo Guest

    There is a Windows 7 newsgroup available. It is alt.windows7.general. I get
    it from free.teranews.com. Many ISPs have chosen to discontinue alt groups
    and some have chosen to not provide any at all (e.g. Verizon).

    Isn't there some kind of NNTP add-in available or being developed (I think
    by Microsoft) that will convert the forum format to that of the newsgroups?

    Gordo
     
    gordo, Nov 22, 2009
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    SC Tom Guest

    SC Tom, Nov 22, 2009
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    SC Tom Guest

    P.S. I should have mentioned these are for Outlook :)
     
    SC Tom, Nov 22, 2009
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    Dave Warren Guest

    In message <> "Ken Blake, MVP"
    Trolls aren't restricted to NNTP either, they can follow you to the web.
    If you're willing to start banning trolls, this is no more or less
    difficult on the web vs NNTP, either way you just need to ensure all
    users login.

    In the case of microsoft.public.* groups which are propagated to the
    rest of the world, this would either need to stop (easy) or the groups
    would need to become robomoderated (a change which isn't impossible to
    implement, but isn't trivial)
     
    Dave Warren, Nov 22, 2009
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