why why why

Discussion in 'Windows Vista General Discussion' started by mas despacio, Jun 11, 2007.

  1. mas despacio

    mas despacio Guest

    why did microsoft have to unleash the dinosaur that is vista on an
    unsuspecting world...

    people everyday rely on computers for their work, but sadly when they cannot
    do half the work they used to because vista runs so slowly, they begin to get
    discruntled, disillusioned and downright angry that they have been conned
    into installing a product that clearly isn't fit for the purpose that is was
    sold for. This in the eyes of the law is fraud.

    I am running vista home premium on a brand new laptop with 1.5gb of ram, a
    2ghz chip and a radeon express 1100 graphics card....according to all the
    'documentation' about upgrading to vista that microsoft puts out this laptop
    should have no problems....

    well, my productivity has haled and i now spend half the day watching that
    annoying swirly blue glass halo whizzing around (and from my experience it's
    the fastest moving thing that vista has to offer)....my transfers from one
    network drive to another clock at 1mb/s (and when i'm transferring 1gb files
    they take a while!)

    commands in some apps complete in just a fraction over the time that i can
    make a cuppa....

    so what's going on?

    i try get support from microsoft...but the product key that comes on the
    little shiny sticker isn't actually the key that they want to activate the
    free support - is this deliberate we may wonder....

    so my 'suggestion' to microsoft would be to actually recall, refund and
    redesign vista....so that it actually works!

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    mas despacio, Jun 11, 2007
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    Jay Guest


    What apps?
    My Vista laptop is the quickest machine I've owned. Faster than my
    work desktop which is XP and similar specs.
    I regurlarly fire up SQL 2005, visual studio (admittedly I don't use
    office much on the laptop) and have no problems. I transfer to/from a
    usb drive faster than any previous machine.
    Jay, Jun 11, 2007
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    Jon Guest

    You don't have to accept it exactly as it comes out of the box. You are
    allowed to fine tune it for greater speed, and won't get sent to prison for
    doing so. It's not completely against the rules and doesn't violate the
    Jon, Jun 11, 2007
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    Larry Maturo Guest

    Please relize that not everyone has the same experience you do. It's
    sort of like someone buying a car that is a lemon. Because some cars
    are lemons doesen't prove that every car in that line is a lemon. I
    have a laptop with 1 gig of ram, and Vista seems very fast to me.

    As to the sticker, rellize that MS sells Vista to computer manufactures
    at a steep discount, but with steep discount comes the responsibilty
    for the manufacturers to support Vista on their computers. If you
    buy a copy of Vista at a store, you will have 90 day free support.

    You didn't say if the laptop came equiped with Vista. If it did,
    go to the maker and complain about the speed. If it didn't, make
    sure you have the correct and current Vista drivers for all your
    hardware, as that can make a big difference on both the speed and
    relibility of your system.

    -- Larry Maturo
    Larry Maturo, Jun 11, 2007
  5. That is because it's an OEM install of Windows Vista and you get your
    support from your OEM not Microsoft. So take you problems to them.
    Although I would have to echo a number of other posters and suggest that
    your experience is not common if the platform is as you describe - however
    you may wish to look at making a few changes from the as shipped
    configuration - there re a number of post about how to speed up network
    transfers etc to be found on these newsgroups etc..
    Mike Brannigan, Jun 11, 2007
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    mas despacio Guest

    If not everyone has the same experience as me, why are there so many posts
    about reverting to xp...and as to OEM is that not MS sherking its
    responsibility to the end user, afterall dell are now supplying new pc's with
    xp - again...is that the step forward that vista was supposed to bring...and
    yes, i have been through all the documentation, got all the latest drivers
    and done every tweak i can find...
    mas despacio, Jun 11, 2007
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    Jon Guest

    Because there are plenty of tweaks that you didn't find, and neither did
    Jon, Jun 11, 2007
  8. mas despacio

    mas despacio Guest

    there may be loads of tweaks out there, but there is still one question...why
    should I or anyone have to go out and find them...these things should have
    been done before product launch...
    mas despacio, Jun 11, 2007
  9. I just finished transferring a 6.7 gig file from my Vista box to my Windows
    XP box. The transfer speed was over 90mb/s on a 100mb/s wired LAN.

    Do some people have slow transfers? I am sure. Do they have their network
    setup correctly? Who knows. But I have been able to solve for the slow
    transfer rate problem in three different establishments at this point. In
    each case their network computers were mis-configured and pretty much
    screwed up. And no one, least of all I, considers me a network specialist.



    Richard Urban
    Microsoft MVP Windows Shell/User
    (For email, remove the obvious from my address)
    Richard Urban, Jun 11, 2007
  10. If not everyone has the same experience as me, why are there so many posts
    LOL!! There are over twenty MILLION Vista licenses shipped. Count up those
    "so many" posts you refer to and work out the percentage of 20 million.

    Of course, not everyone who reverts to XP announces it on this newsgroup.
    So double them, or multiply them by ten, or a hundred, or a thousand even,
    and then work out the percentage. It's tiny.

    Steve Thackery, Jun 11, 2007
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    Jon Guest

    This would be my take.

    I think part of the problem is that the out-of-the-box configuration is
    trying to please everyone and ending up pleasing no-one.

    Virtually everything is enabled out of box for every conceivable type of
    user - so that 99% of users can turn it on and have their particular
    favourite piece of functionality run instantly.

    It's a bit like a great big single-layered box of chocolates where every
    type of chocolate is on display at once. Seeing the chocolates layer by
    layer, or only having those particular chocolates that a given user finds
    tasty on display would have been a better approach.

    But likewise to expect MS to have come up with the pefect display of
    chocolates that suits you to the tee when you first open the box is also
    expecting too much .
    Jon, Jun 11, 2007
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    DanS Guest

    So share with us what configuration error(s) there were to fix these three
    different establishments slow tranfer problem ?

    This could help countless others in the same boat.
    DanS, Jun 11, 2007
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    KDE Guest

    20 Million of copies of Vista Sold in February 07 alone, and a few hundred
    posts here about problems.
    hardly an epidemic.
    KDE, Jun 11, 2007
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    mas despacio Guest

    .....i've tried what many people have said to fix the problem but to no
    avail...i am transferring 9.7gb of data at the moment and it tells me that it
    is going to take a day and a half....i am using 2 lacie 1tb minis on a
    wireless 54mbs network and am being told by the task manager that it is using
    25% of the network capacity...i don't expect to get 54mb speeds, but 1mb is
    lousey especially as the same config before vista upgrade gave me 48mb
    mas despacio, Jun 11, 2007
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    john Guest

    oh c'mon - that's the same reasoning I'd expect from a compensated MVP.

    what about users that don't even know about ng's, or do but don't use them?
    what about users whose systems are so hosed they can't even get online? do
    they count? or does the fact that you don't hear from them here mean they
    don't exist?
    so you're saying that anyone who -is- having "issues" comes here, and -only-
    here, therefore this ng is some kind of measuring stick for Vista problems
    worldwide? it doesn't wash.
    john, Jun 11, 2007
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    mas despacio Guest

    personally i know about 30 people (both friends and professionals in IT) of
    those around 2/3 are reverting back...
    mas despacio, Jun 11, 2007
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    KDE Guest

    so you're saying that anyone who -is- having "issues" comes here, and -only-
    no, no more than saying because there are a couple of dozen post here about
    people wanting to revert back to XP that Vista is a bust and gonna bankrupt
    the free world.

    the fact is, of the millions of people that have installed and are using
    Vista, most have no problems or been able to work through the small issues
    they have had and are happy with their systems.
    KDE, Jun 11, 2007
  18. Mas Despacio

    If this is truly a brand new laptop, I would return it immediately and get a
    replacement or get my money back. The laptop should have been thoroughly
    tested before being sold to you. I have Vista running on 2 laptops and 3
    desktops of varying ages and configurations here and they are all fast and

    As to why you see so many posts about people having problems here, it's
    because this is a support newsgroup. If you want to find out the general
    health of the world and you go to a hospital, you would conclude that the
    whole world was sick. :)
    Ronnie Vernon MVP, Jun 11, 2007
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    DanS Guest

    Well, what you speak of with those speeds is theoretical total speeds of
    the wireless connection, not of actual user throughput.

    On a 54 mbps wireless connection, the max you will most-likely see as
    user throughput is around 35 mb/sec, at the best connection speed. It
    goes downhill from there.

    Wireless is not something you can really judge the networking throughput
    on. There is too much 'other' stuff that can have an effect on it, mostly
    interference from other 2.4Ghz gear, of all types, from other WLAN's to
    wireless cams, to microwaves, to cordless phones, etc......

    (And yes, the WLAN environment can change daily, so to call this a Vista
    problem immediately may be premature, even though I'd like to bash Vista
    about it, it has to be narrowed down.)

    In this case, I'd first try to connect by wire to take all other
    'causes' out of the loop. If it works fine on a CAT5 cable, it's time to
    start looking at the wireless setup.....drivers specifically with any USB
    interfaces, but internal WiFi cards also.....PCMCIA, PCI.

    The are external wireless clients. EnGenious, for example, makes a
    desktop 802.11B/G bridging device that functions as either an AP, or as a
    client, and plugs directly into the LAN. The nice thing about this setup
    is that ANY TCP/IP device can use it, no drivers required.


    DanS, Jun 12, 2007
  20. You redefine dumb. Most Microsoft stooges do.
    Adam Albright, Jun 12, 2007
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