Why you have so few restore points - answered!

Discussion in 'Windows Vista General Discussion' started by Julian, Feb 29, 2008.

  1. Julian

    Julian Guest

    It's not a bug - it's a completely idiotic feature of Vista Home Premium
    (and maybe Basic too)

    System Restore relies on Shadow Storage - which MS also uses to provide
    "previous version" file capabilities in higher-end Vista systems.

    However, Vista is in fact still taking copies of ALL your files - thereby
    eating up space that you might reasonably have thought was solely for System
    Restore points. Result: ShadowStorage fills up very quickly and your restore
    points are dumped.

    See
    http://berossus.blogspot.com/2008/02/part-ii-of-case-of-disappearing-system.html
    and the links therein for what I eventually found on the web once I knew
    what to look for. It has been known about since last year apparently...

    Personally I am outraged at the lack of control over my own system, and
    specifically the completely useless System Restore capability that has
    resulted.

    MS should be ashamed. Very, very ashamed.

    But thanks to everyone who helped me track down the problem
     
    Julian, Feb 29, 2008
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  2. Julian

    alexB Guest

    You should be ashamed for your idiotic outburst. You do not need more
    restore points. Besides, you have control over the number of restore points
    you can have. Just add more storage, do more backups and eat your sh*it in
    the privacy of your home. Do not bring your lunacy in here.
     
    alexB, Feb 29, 2008
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  3. yes of course ....
    this is exactly as you say it...

    I understood this the very first time when vista was still in beta.

    On MACS you have to have an external drive for "TIME MACHINE" to work.
    Time machine is so far ahead of shadow copy thats its literally "from the
    future" pun intended!

    see how shadow copy should have been here
    http://www.apple.com/macosx/features/timemachine.html


    the way shadow copy is implemented in Vista is a problem of course (haven't
    found much in vista that is NOT a problem lol), because there is no way to
    chose the settings between restore points and old versions,
    or disabling only one of the 2 "functions"
    Oh all versions of Vista create shadow copies.. but here is the even more
    idiotic thing=
    NOT ALL CAN ACCESS the older copies! LOL How dumb is that?


    Fortunalty there is a guy who wrote SHADOW EXPLORER a free tool,
    see here on how you can use it
    http://www.howtogeek.com/howto/wind...hadow-copies-on-any-version-of-windows-vista/
     
    On the Bridge!, Feb 29, 2008
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  4. A feature stolen from "windows".
    It is like www.memeo.com's backup solution for windows but not as good.
    Memeo has been around for a lot longer than timemachine and there are
    several alternatives that do similar things.
    There was even a real-time backup and file versioner for win98 but I forget
    what it was called.
    Some more of Apples "innovation".
     
    [email protected], Feb 29, 2008
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  5. Julian

    Jan Guest

    Did you bother to read his post? You don't have a friggen clue as usual. You
    are too busy sucking MSFT a hole to to understand anything.


     
    Jan, Feb 29, 2008
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  6. Your information is not even correct... And just to promote your
    disappearing intellect blog...
     
    Cameron Snyder, Feb 29, 2008
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  7. Julian

    Bob Guest

    So why are you giving the spammer more exposure by including his original
    message?
     
    Bob, Feb 29, 2008
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  8. Excellent point. I was just in automaton mode. click-reply-send Thanks for
    the slap.
     
    Cameron Snyder, Feb 29, 2008
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  9. Julian

    Julian Guest


    I hate to sound as though I am anti-Vista - because I'm not - but at the
    moment Vista seems less able to recover itself than my XP machines - though
    fortunately it also seems to require less recovery.

    My perhaps ill-made point was that the lack of control over what goes in
    Shadow Storage prevented me from prioritising the storage of Restore Points
    so that Vista could recover itself via System Restore (other mechanisms I am
    unaware of).

    The one and only occasion (thankfully!) that I needed System Restore there
    was only 1 restore point less than 12 hours old and Vista could not recover
    itself at all... leading to further problems as a result of an alternate
    recovery strategy and a whole weekend's work, and it was this issue that
    made me begin to pay attention to System Restore etc.

    However I do now have a tentative solution to the System Restore without
    Shadow-Copy-of-other-files issue, which I am testing. I want to let some
    (useful!) System Restore points accumulate and check that nothing else has
    been upset before giving a verdict, but I'll post back when I have some
    news...

    ....taking care of course to provide only the information here and not to
    spam the group with a footnote link to blog or blogs <g>
     
    Julian, Mar 1, 2008
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  10. Julian

    Julian Guest

    Ooops - not "footnote" link - inline link if you like... wasn't directed at
    you Mike
     
    Julian, Mar 1, 2008
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  11. Julian

    bp Guest

    Then maybe you should have used the uninstall option DUH

    1. You can increase the size used for restore points

    2. You can turn off shadow copy

    3. You can make your own restore point if you really want to make sure you
    have one.

    4. restore points have always been dumped(yes even in XP) at a certain point
    (ie you run low on storage )

    5. Hell you can even dump system restore and use third party backup
    utilities that act just like system restore and they won't dump your restore
    points(ghost 14 anyone) But just like SR you will delete some sooner or later.

    Instead of Goggling some crap looking for something to bitch about he should
    have goggled how to use it.
     
    bp, Mar 1, 2008
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  12. Julian

    bp Guest

    and the Amiga did it with only 256k ram try that on a MAC or PC
     
    bp, Mar 1, 2008
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  13. Julian

    Bob Guest

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    Bob, Mar 1, 2008
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  14. Julian

    MICHAEL Guest

    Lovely, thanks.

    I appreciate how long this endeavor took
    you.... over three hours. Not too bad, Mr. Fife.



    -Michael
     
    MICHAEL, Mar 1, 2008
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  15. Julian

    Bob Guest

    "What's the matter? Haven't you ever seen a man copy and paste before?"
    "I wish we could go back to Mayberry; back to a simpler time when life was far less complicated".

    ------------

    Got Vista problems or questions?
    Start here.
    http://www.vistax64.com/search.php

    Lovely, thanks.

    I appreciate how long this endeavor took
    you.... over three hours. Not too bad, Mr. Fife.



    -Michael
     
    Bob, Mar 1, 2008
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  16. I have used all kinds of computers from the spectrum 48K upwards.
    I like all types..

    but vista stinks.. lol (but im still using it.. yeah I know)
     
    On the Bridge!, Mar 1, 2008
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  17. Julian

    Frank Guest

    Sure you did...LOL!
    No you stink as*hole loser!
    Frank
     
    Frank, Mar 2, 2008
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  18. Sure you did...LOL!

    of course I did you MORON IDIOT! Thats why I know more than a gazzilion
    times more about computer than your sorry ars!
     
    On the Bridge!, Mar 2, 2008
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  19. Julian

    Frank Guest

    hehehe...no you don't and we all know you don't. Hell you're even too
    stupid to get one little install of Vista to run properly.
    You are the quintessential big mouth moron idiot wannabe.
    If google didn't exist, I doubt you would either.
    Fran
     
    Frank, Mar 2, 2008
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  20. Funny you say that. I got SP1 off Windows update and after it crapped all
    over my very well running Vista pre SP1, I tried to use restore mode. Not
    there. Gone. No restore to go back to in order to undo this "crime" to my
    computer!
     
    Diamontina Cocktail, Mar 2, 2008
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