Will Windows 7 be visually similar to Vista?

Discussion in 'Windows Vista General Discussion' started by DudeBoyz, Dec 29, 2008.

  1. DudeBoyz

    DudeBoyz Guest

    I'm curious if Windows 7 is going to be similar to Vista in terms
    dialog box layout, GUI characteristics, etc.

    Or is it going to be changed (like how XP differed from Win 98
    SE, for example.)

    Thanks
     
    DudeBoyz, Dec 29, 2008
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    David B. Guest

    See inline.





    It is at the moment.
    No one has that answer, who's to say it won't be changed, when the RTM is
    released you'll have your answer.
     
    David B., Dec 29, 2008
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    Peter Foldes Guest

    Wait until the public Beta comes out then you judge it yourself
     
    Peter Foldes, Dec 29, 2008
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    John Guest

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    Dave Guest

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    David B. Guest

    I don't need to Google it, I'm already well aware of it's current state.
     
    David B., Dec 29, 2008
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  8. http://www.winsupersite.com/win7/

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    DudeBoyz Guest

    I really appreciate the replies. They have been very helpful.

    I'm having a hard time transitioning from XP to Vista in part due
    to the substantial changes in the GUI for Dialogs, Folders, etc.

    I was hoping that Windows 7 would perhaps take a step closer to
    Windows XP so that the contrast was not so stark. You know -
    address bars on top, Command Bar in IE 7 on the same line as the
    tab bar, that "Organize, Views, System Properties, etc." bar
    under the address bar in those dialogs / folders, etc.

    But according to those screen shots, I'm going to face the same
    thing when Windows 7 hits, so I guess I am going to need to learn
    to be proficient in the changes.

    I like in XP how I can turn off the button bar, address bar, etc.
    for any dialog / folder window. I can't seem to find a way to do
    that in Vista.

    Regardless, thank you again for the helpful replies. I really am
    grateful.
     
    DudeBoyz, Dec 29, 2008
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    Bender Guest

    "totally different taskbar...already folks are bitching about it"

    There will be three options...
    From:
    http://www.winsupersite.com/win7/win7_beta_notes.asp

    Always combine, hide labels. This is the default view style, and it causes
    square taskbar buttons with no labels.

    Combine when taskbar is full. This is the optimal view style. Taskbar
    buttons for running windows will have labels, while buttons for non-running
    windows will not. If the taskbar fills up with too many icons, multiple
    windows will be combined into a single button.

    Never combine. This view style works almost identically to the previous one
    except that buttons are never combined.
     
    Bender, Dec 30, 2008
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    Not Even Me Guest

    it will be Vista SP3, but they will revice UAC, add touch screen support,
    fix some bugs, call it Windows 7 and charge for it.
     
    Not Even Me, Dec 30, 2008
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    DudeBoyz Guest

    I hear ya. Thanks.

    It looks like I'm just goig to have to suck it up and try to
    learn the functionality of the new interfrace in comparison to
    Windows XP.

    I've become so dependent on how the dialogs and menus have been
    implemented since Windows 95 through Windows XP that Vista is
    sort of confusing and frustrating to me.

    I open up My Computer. I go to the VIEW menu, selected the
    TOOLBARS flyout and can toggle on or off all of the key elements:

    Standard Buttons
    Address Bar
    Links

    I can't seem to find a way to do this in Vista, and the order of
    items in the Vista dialogs are different and I cannot find a way
    to put them back in the order I want them in.

    I do not like the Address Bar on top, and I don't like the
    changing look and functionality of items in the "button bar"
    (that green stripe with things like "Organized, Views, System
    Properties", etc.

    The address bar at the top serves more than one function - It's
    almost like a directory tree but horizontal in that address bar
    space instead of an explorer like "Expand / Collapse" tree on the
    left side of the dialog.

    I really do wish that the interface was more customizable. I
    would like to be able to set the order of elements in that
    interface, and toggle any of those elements on or off as I wish.

    Having these changes in place and then realizing that you lost a
    lot of the customizability that you had in XP - well, it gets
    kind of annoying.

    Anyway, thanks for the reply. I appreciate it.
     
    DudeBoyz, Dec 30, 2008
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    +Bob+ Guest

    If you poke around the 'net, you can find some hacks for some of this.
    MS IE can be tweaked a bit. I assume you've already returned to
    "classic windows" - but if you have not, that helps a lot.
    Yes, Vista is missing a LOT of features that they should have at least
    retained as options for those with a clue. There doesn't seem to be
    any reason they were removed - just stupidity at MS.

    MS in recent years has been found of customer "focus" groups but
    either the groups are invalid in composition, or the questions asked
    of them don't allow for the proper answers, or their output is subject
    to post-group manipulation at MS. The bottom line is that Vista,
    MSIE7, and many things coming out of MS are a serious step back in
    functionality in many areas for experienced or power users.
     
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    DudeBoyz Guest

    If you poke around the 'net, you can find some hacks for some
    It may be that Maxthon 1.6.x can be installed in Vista and work
    with IE 7. I have asked the question and am awaiting an answer.

    Right now I use Maxthon 1.6.x in Windows XP with IE 6, and it
    works great. If it turns out that it will also work perfectly in
    Vista with IE 7, then that would take care of that entire issue
    for me.
    I hear ya. Not only can't I turn on and off the toolbars and
    such in dialogs, but those dialogs / folders have been changed
    both in how they look and in how they function.

    That strange "green strip" that I think is supposed to replace
    the "Standard Buttons" toolbar is just too foreign to me and the
    way they have compounded the functionality of that "address bar
    replacement" is very, very confusing for me. I'm really
    struggling to deal with the changed design and the totally
    altered functionality.

    I wish they had given us the option of switching 100% back to the
    XP GUI for all elements, yet still contain all the behind the
    scenes stuff that Vista is supposed to have improved upon.

    I don't know what to do, except stick with XP till 2014 and only
    move after I'm absolutely forced to. Maybe in the next 5 years I
    can figure out how to take advantage of all the "Forced" changes
    in such a way that I might even be able to approach the same
    level of productivity inside Vista that I have inside of XP right
    now. :)
    It's all screwed up. That's for sure. No wonder so many people
    have not warmed up to Vista yet.

    I hope to gosh that SOMEONE comes up with some sort of tweaking
    program that lets users revert back to the same look and
    functionality they have grown used to in XP.

    Thanks for the reply :)
     
    DudeBoyz, Dec 30, 2008
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  15. If you give Vista a little time, you will get used to it. Sooner or later,
    you are going to have to do this. The next run of hardware may not have a
    great deal of XP support, even though XP itself will be supported well into
    the future.

    After a while, you will consider XP to be clunky and rather old hat.. :)


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    DudeBoyz Guest

    If you give Vista a little time, you will get used to it.
    I hear ya. I think I can install Maxthon 1.6.5.18 on top of the
    IE 7 engine, so I'll get the functions of IE 7 with an interface
    that I'm familiar with. So there is that to help lessen the
    impact.

    I also use Free Commander for a file manager, and that will help
    to lessen the impact a little more.

    The rest I guess I'll just have to muddle along with when the
    time comes.

    I hear tell that Windows XP will be fully supported (including
    WHQL certification for drivers, security patches, etc.) until
    2014.

    If that is the case, I will have plenty of time to learn the
    Windows 7 interface, eh?

    Thanks
     
    DudeBoyz, Dec 31, 2008
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  17. When IE7 beta first appeared, I installed it for all of 5 minutes. Like you,
    I thought that I would never get used to it. I sat for a few more minutes
    thinking about what I had done, and promptly re-installed it.

    Regardless of visual changes, IE7 offered more security and was the way to
    go. Now IE6 feels and looks old, and I wonder how I managed with it.

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    DudeBoyz Guest

    When IE7 beta first appeared, I installed it for all of 5
    Thanks for sharing that experience. Now I don't feel too
    reactionary.

    I will try to get used to it, especially the limited TAB space
    due to the Command Bar.

    In case I have trouble though, I may be able to install Maxthon
    1.6.x on the system and it will allow me to get all the key
    benefits of the improved IE7 code with a more familiar interface.

    I had thought that Maxthon 1.6.x ONLY worked on XP and IE 6, but
    I'm being told otherwise, much to my surprise.

    Anyway, thanks again. I appreciate the reply.
     
    DudeBoyz, Dec 31, 2008
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    +Bob+ Guest

    IE7's user interface sucks. First, the very origins and basics of
    Windows design teach us to use STANDARDIZED windows. That means menus
    below the title bar. Doh.

    In addition, the address bar has been below the menu bar in every
    Windows browser since the Mosaic betas. MS decided to change that.
    Smart move.

    Aside from that, IE7 can't be customized nearly as well as IE6. The
    Command Bar can't be moved. The Links bar can't be placed in the
    standard location.

    To top it all off, the Add Favorites function for people with lots of
    organized folders is beyond a description of how bad it sucks. Add to
    that a Vista groan: If you put your favorites on a shared drive it
    takes 30 seconds for Vista to respond after you select Add. This
    worked perfectly in XP and Win2003 even with IE7. Another Vista sucks
    moment.

    All of this, as with Vista, could have been solved by MS allowing the
    same flexibility and features of previous versions - at least as a
    tuneable option.
     
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    DudeBoyz Guest

    Very good post. Thanks a lot.
     
    DudeBoyz, Dec 31, 2008
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