Window blocked startup programs

Discussion in 'Windows Vista Security' started by Tim, Apr 4, 2007.

  1. Tim

    Rock Guest

    I understand. There is no way to get rid of it as long as programs are
    running at startup with admin privileges. You can use the task scheduler
    work around or look for a different program that does the same thing but
    doesn't need admin privileges or don't run it at startup.
     
    Rock, Apr 13, 2007
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  2. Tim

    Tim Guest

    On the assumption that it was an msconfig problem, I went back in and
    re-enabled all of the programs blocked with msconfig. Once this was done, I
    was going to go into the registry and simply delete the run commands (it
    apparently doesn't work that way - if it's blocked by msconfig, the run
    commands are already deleted).

    In any event, even with no programs being blocked by msconfig, I still get
    the popup. And when I open Windows Defender, all programs are either
    permitted or not yet classified. Which gets me back to my problem. How do
    I tell which program is being blocked so I can solve the problem?
     
    Tim, Apr 13, 2007
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  3. Tim

    mikeyhsd Guest

    when you place the mouse over the ICON is there no pop out that shows what programs are being blocked.







    On the assumption that it was an msconfig problem, I went back in and
    re-enabled all of the programs blocked with msconfig. Once this was done, I
    was going to go into the registry and simply delete the run commands (it
    apparently doesn't work that way - if it's blocked by msconfig, the run
    commands are already deleted).

    In any event, even with no programs being blocked by msconfig, I still get
    the popup. And when I open Windows Defender, all programs are either
    permitted or not yet classified. Which gets me back to my problem. How do
    I tell which program is being blocked so I can solve the problem?
     
    mikeyhsd, Apr 13, 2007
    #23
  4. Tim

    Tim Guest

    Yes, the program being blocked is System Configuration Utility (msconfig).

    when you place the mouse over the ICON is there no pop out that shows what programs are being blocked.







    On the assumption that it was an msconfig problem, I went back in and
    re-enabled all of the programs blocked with msconfig. Once this was done, I
    was going to go into the registry and simply delete the run commands (it
    apparently doesn't work that way - if it's blocked by msconfig, the run
    commands are already deleted).

    In any event, even with no programs being blocked by msconfig, I still get
    the popup. And when I open Windows Defender, all programs are either
    permitted or not yet classified. Which gets me back to my problem. How do
    I tell which program is being blocked so I can solve the problem?
     
    Tim, Apr 13, 2007
    #24
  5. Tim

    mikeyhsd Guest

    this is the whole problem, you are using msconfig to control startup programs.
    someone else has reported that there is a way in defender to remove items from startup.
    under Software Explorer section apparently you can remove items from the startup.







    Yes, the program being blocked is System Configuration Utility (msconfig).

    when you place the mouse over the ICON is there no pop out that shows what programs are being blocked.







    On the assumption that it was an msconfig problem, I went back in and
    re-enabled all of the programs blocked with msconfig. Once this was done, I
    was going to go into the registry and simply delete the run commands (it
    apparently doesn't work that way - if it's blocked by msconfig, the run
    commands are already deleted).

    In any event, even with no programs being blocked by msconfig, I still get
    the popup. And when I open Windows Defender, all programs are either
    permitted or not yet classified. Which gets me back to my problem. How do
    I tell which program is being blocked so I can solve the problem?
     
    mikeyhsd, Apr 14, 2007
    #25
  6. Tim

    Tim Guest

    Frankly, I think this is probably a bug. If you read my prior post, I re-enabled all programs using msconfig - so I wasn't blocking any program with msconfig. But I still got the popup.
    this is the whole problem, you are using msconfig to control startup programs.
    someone else has reported that there is a way in defender to remove items from startup.
    under Software Explorer section apparently you can remove items from the startup.







    Yes, the program being blocked is System Configuration Utility (msconfig).

    when you place the mouse over the ICON is there no pop out that shows what programs are being blocked.







    On the assumption that it was an msconfig problem, I went back in and
    re-enabled all of the programs blocked with msconfig. Once this was done, I
    was going to go into the registry and simply delete the run commands (it
    apparently doesn't work that way - if it's blocked by msconfig, the run
    commands are already deleted).

    In any event, even with no programs being blocked by msconfig, I still get
    the popup. And when I open Windows Defender, all programs are either
    permitted or not yet classified. Which gets me back to my problem. How do
    I tell which program is being blocked so I can solve the problem?
     
    Tim, Apr 14, 2007
    #26
  7. Tim

    Rock Guest

    If you make a change using msconfig the next time the system is booted you
    get this message because msconfig is trying to alert you to the fact that
    changes were made, just like in XP. When that happens, using the icon in
    the notification area unblock it allowing msconfig to run, and then check
    the box for it to not alert you again. It won't alert until the next time
    you make changes with msconfig.
    --
    Rock [MS-MVP User/Shell]

    On the assumption that it was an msconfig problem, I went back in and
    re-enabled all of the programs blocked with msconfig. Once this was
    done, I
    was going to go into the registry and simply delete the run commands (it
    apparently doesn't work that way - if it's blocked by msconfig, the run
    commands are already deleted).

    In any event, even with no programs being blocked by msconfig, I still
    get
    the popup. And when I open Windows Defender, all programs are either
    permitted or not yet classified. Which gets me back to my problem. How
    do
    I tell which program is being blocked so I can solve the problem?
     
    Rock, Apr 14, 2007
    #27
  8. Tim

    Tim Guest

    I'm sorry, but that simply doesn't work. I still get the popup.

     
    Tim, Apr 14, 2007
    #28
  9. Tim

    Rock Guest

    Sorry, Tim, I don't know then. It works for me
     
    Rock, Apr 14, 2007
    #29
  10. Tim

    LoneStar Guest

    Sigh. Rock, WHERE is this box in Vista's pop-up notification icon that we
    need to check? Like Tim, I can't see it, anywhere! I "think" we may all be
    discussing different things.

    This horse has done been beat dead!

    EW
     
    LoneStar, Apr 16, 2007
    #30
  11. Tim

    Rock Guest


    We may be talking about different things or there is something wrong with
    both your setups.

    What I was answering is the situation where you make a change in msconfig
    and reboot. Msconfig then, as it did in XP, tries to alert you that it is
    running in diagnostic mode. But since it needs admin privileges to run and
    display this dialog box, it get's blocked until permission is granted. So
    you click on the Blocked startup program icon in the notification area,
    point to Run blocked program, which will show a list of the block programs,
    in this case msconfig, and click on it to run it.

    Msconfig then pops up with the message box saying, in effect, it's in
    diagnostic mode. There is a check box to tell it not to alert you to this
    again. Msconfig closes, and now the next time you reboot (assuming you made
    no other changes through msconfig in the interim) it doesn't run. If you
    don't check that box, every time the system is rebooted with msconfig in
    diagnostic mode it will try to run. If subsequent changes are made in
    msconfig, you have to give it permission all over again, and check the box.

    The principle of allowing blocked startup programs that ask for admin
    privileges when the system starts is the same thing. It can't be disabled
    on a program by program basis.

    If this isn't the issue, I'm sorry then I don't know and/or understand what
    the issue is.
     
    Rock, Apr 17, 2007
    #31
  12. Tim

    Rock Guest


    Disregard this message. It was sent too soon. See the following one for
    better detail.
     
    Rock, Apr 17, 2007
    #32
  13. Tim

    Tim Guest

    I think you are accurately describing the general problem, except for one
    thing. Even when I have unblocked all startup programs with msconfig (it
    says "Normal Startup"), I still get the notification that it's blocking
    msconfig upon startup. If I'm using Normal Startup, msconfig shouldn't be
    running at startup at all, correct? So why is it trying to start up and
    then being blocked? If you look at registry key
    HKEY_CURRENT_USER\Software\Microsoft\Shared Tools\MsConfig, you'll see an
    entry called NoRebootUI. If I'm not mistaken, a setting of 1 means that
    msconfig will not run upon reboot. Mine is set to 1, so it shouldn't be
    running. But Defender apparently thinks that it is.
     
    Tim, Apr 17, 2007
    #33
  14. Tim

    Rock Guest

    Ok, yes, if it's in normal startup mode, and no changes were made to set it
    to that mode since the last time msconfig was run and the system booted,
    then it should not. Or if you tick the box saying don't alert me, even if
    not in normal startup mode, it should not alert.

    Sorry I don't know why it's doing that on your system. Maybe someone else
    will spot this thread now that we seem to have a good explanation of the
    problem, and provide some input on it.

    On this system, msconfig is in selective startup mode because I recently
    unchecked something from on the Start tab. After the first reboot I checked
    the box to not alert any more. There have been several boots since then
    with it not running at startup.

    For that key you mention, the value is set to 0, not 1.
     
    Rock, Apr 18, 2007
    #34
  15. Tim

    Ross Guest

    I plowed through this whole thing and have at least identified my problem. I
    won't know until tomorrow whether I've solved it. First, I didn't use
    MSCONFIG to do anything, so I'm innocent in that regard. Second, the problem
    occurs on this computer, but not on a notebook sitting next to it. Third,
    the offending program (thanks to Rock for showing me how to find it) is Sonic
    Record Now program manager. My guess is that this came with an Apricorn DVD
    player I recently installed. Since I rarely if ever record anything, I'm
    going to disable this from the startup program list. We'll see what happens
    tomorrow.
     
    Ross, Aug 1, 2007
    #35
  16. Tim

    Ross Guest

    I've only tested it once, but it seems to have worked like a charm. The
    Sonic program is not on my new Dell notebook, so either the Apricorn put it
    on this machine or it was already on it and Vista or Apricorn object to it.
    FYI 1, I've run MSCONFIG many times in the past, but not since installing
    Vista on this machine. FYI 2, I get nearly all my music from XM or my own
    CDs, and back up to a Kingston Data Traveler, which is why I don't record to
    disks. FYI 3, this procedure is described very succinctly (for once) in
    Vista Help under the heading "Run or remove blocked startup programs".
     
    Ross, Aug 1, 2007
    #36
  17. Tim

    hhdst1 Guest

    If you’re like me, you may block some of the programs that normally wan
    to run at startup so they don’t eat all your RAM and processor. Afte
    doing this, you may consistently get notifications reminding you that
    program is being blocked. Here’s why you might be getting them, and ho
    to make them stop.

    Here’s the message that I receive:


    Windows has blocked some startup programs: Windows blocks programs tha
    require permission to run when Windows starts. Click to view blocke
    programs.

    Now you’re probably thinking that Vista is reminding you that yo
    blocked some programs, but if you did what I did, you’d be wrong
    Ironically, Vista is letting you know that it is blocking the progra
    that you used to block those programs! You likely used MSCONFIG t
    block your startup programs or services. When the computer starts up
    the changes you made with MSCONFIG are handled as you chose, but the
    MSCONFIG wants to show you a dialog window that reminds you that yo
    made those changes. Problem is, UAC won’t let MSONFIG open to show tha
    dialog because it requires elevated privileges.

    Thankfully this is easy to fix, but is evidence of how the many piece
    of Vista don’t always cooperate with each other.

    Click on the Blocked Startup Programs icon and from Run blocke
    programs choose System Configuration Utility.

    You will be prompted to approve the elevation of privileges (if UAC i
    active) and then you’ll see the friendly warning dialog that is causin
    all the trouble. Check the box and click OK to tell the Syste
    Configuration Utility not to try and show the dialog again.

    That’s it! Now if you didn’t see System Configuration Utility in th
    ‘blocked programs’ list, then it might be some other program that i
    trying to run. If that’s the case, you can use MSCONFIG to tell tha
    program not to run, or you can use the Show or remove blocked startu
    programs option from that same menu to ‘Disable’ the program
     
    hhdst1, Dec 14, 2007
    #37
  18. The Master is correct. All should pay heed to his words, for his words are
    true.
    Thank You
    st2
     
    ScottyDog55, sniffing out critters, Dec 15, 2007
    #38
  19. Tim

    Jim Guest

    This information was right on. Got rid of that startup program reminder!
    Thank you! Love these news groups!
     
    Jim, Dec 20, 2007
    #39
  20. Tim

    chrhon Guest

    I have seen several sites all mention "Click on the Blocked Startup Programs
    icon and from Run blocked programs choose System Configuration Utility. "

    I have something I installed that is trying to run in the system tray on
    startup that vista blocks... weird thing is I have it installed on several
    computers and only one blocks it. From the "run blocked programs" I only
    have the program that is blocked.. no system configuration utility.
     
    chrhon, Jan 6, 2008
    #40
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