Windows 64-bit is awful.

Discussion in 'Windows 64 Bit' started by Disgusted, Feb 13, 2006.

  1. Actually, we've seen one other report of major freeze issues with the beta
    of ZoneAlarm. I would suggest you dump it for the moment. Especially since I
    really don't think it offers much that I value beyond what the (excellent)
    built in Windows Firewall offers.
     
    Charlie Russel - MVP, May 31, 2006
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    BMcC Guest

    Thank you for your response.

    I will include my reply to logitech. Affter their camera failed to run in 64
    bit I tried to motivate them with some yelling and despite many gamers posts,
    they basically said who cares?

    As another person here who broke into computers as the gray and blackradio
    shack boxes were hitting the market, there is one knawing question. How hard
    can it be to reboot a new window in another bit operating system?? How many
    chances does microsoft need? When it went from 8 bit to 16 bit, the dos
    window could have really worked on the old DOS programs. When we went to 32
    bit the exact same thing. Now we are at 64 bits and no one has figured out
    how to allocate separate memory for an 8 bit/16/32/64 bit application, using
    only the system that is optinmal? Does it take 64 bits to play solitaire?



    Hi,

    Thanks, for your response. It turns out I was quite
    naive to believe Microsoft's list of benefits.

    Particularly number 6 concerning WOW and 32 bit
    applications.

    http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/64bit/facts/top10.mspx


    6 Greater flexibility
    Windows XP Professional x64 Edition gives you a robust
    platform for the integration of 64-bit and 32-bit
    applications using the Windows on Windows 64 (WOW64)
    x86 emulation layer. You can move to 64-bit computing
    while still maintaining your existing investment in
    32-bit software and Windows expertise.


    It turns out I can manage with a 32 bit partition and
    a 64 bit one although they do hurt each other, since I
    reinstalled some 32 bit things that 64 bit tried to
    erase. The machine I bought specifically to run 1 data
    processing program can live without the camera in 64
    bit for now.

    Yours was just the 1st company I discovered that was
    ignoring XP pro 64 bit.
     
    BMcC, May 31, 2006
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    John Barnes Guest

    Unfortunately, once the system builder handles the drivers for the original
    machine, the average user is going to want additional hardware and software
    which unless the system builder warned them adequately about doing the
    footwork (which you can't do for most software anyway) will result in
    frustration for the average user. This is why most system builders don't
    offer the OS except to specialised users, as a general rule.
     
    John Barnes, May 31, 2006
  4. Yes. And I might add that, as the author, I was strongly encouraged by
    Microsoft to be as accurate and frank as I could be.

    --
    Charlie.
    http://msmvps.com/xperts64


     
    Charlie Russel - MVP, Jun 1, 2006
  5. Charlie Russel - MVP, Jun 1, 2006
  6. I will include my reply to logitech. Affter their camera failed to run in
    This is the fundamental bootstrap problem with moving from 32-bit to 64-bit.
    Until there are a lot of users using x64, hardware providers don't care to
    put the effort into making 64-bit drivers available for their products. Yet
    until there are plenty of drivers, many users will be frustrated into
    sticking with x86 editions due to a lack of 64-bit drivers.

    Hopefully the push for x64 drivers as part of the Windows Vista launch
    (which will widely deploy 64- and 32-bit versions of the OS) will shake the
    3rd party hardware providers out of their complaisance. In the meantime,
    make it clear to a manufacturer that you *want* 64-bit support. If they
    respond with "who cares" say "I do!".

    --
    Chuck Walbourn
    SDE, Game Technology Group


    This posting is provided "AS IS" with no warranties, and confers no rights.
     
    Chuck Walbourn [MSFT], Jun 1, 2006
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    RFOG Guest

    This is like linux (ouch, sorry :) ) drivers, yo have to ask for x64
    before buy.


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    RFOG, Jun 1, 2006
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    BMcC Guest

    I gave up on zone alarm and its virus checker and went with Avast's free 64
    bit virus software and the windows firewall.

    The task manager comes up at least and it hasn't frozen yet. Filling in any
    web form bombed it with ZA loaded.

    Maybe this will be a stable configuration but I would still say that no
    matter what the application or state of development, an OS should be able to
    kill any frozen program without removing electricity.
     
    BMcC, Jun 2, 2006
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    John Barnes Guest

    BTW Creative has webcams with 64-bit drivers.


     
    John Barnes, Jun 2, 2006
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    DP Guest

    I've been defending x64 on various threads in this ng. But let's be honest:
    Charlie's white paper was just released a couple of weeks ago. I remember
    when he told us about it. The link to his paper that's there now might not
    have been there whenever the poster was on the site looking for info about
    x64.
    If we're gonna fight, let's try to fight fairly and honestly.
     
    DP, Jun 3, 2006
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    Rick Guest

    Do you buy a car without doing any research?

    Do you buy a house without doing any research?

    Do you buy a HDTV without doing any research?

    Do you invest in stocks & bonds without doing any research?

    Then why would you buy a computer or software without doing any research?
     
    Rick, Jun 3, 2006
  12. Well, if we're being fair, before the WP there were columns, blog posts, and
    even LiveMeeting Webcasts that said many of the same things. Though not as
    clearly, perhaps. I've been pretty clear since the very beginning that it
    isn't for everyone.
     
    Charlie Russel - MVP, Jun 3, 2006
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    John Barnes Guest

    In the first months of this site, anyone who made any comment suggesting
    that it wasn't for everyone got shouted down and slammed. Lots of early
    enthusiasts refused to admit that there was any torture that should not be
    endured to use x64.
     
    John Barnes, Jun 3, 2006
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    Jeff Guest

    Wow! Not my experience at all. I recently bought a new Gateway AMD Athlon
    64 dual core 4200+ based sytem and installed an OEM version of x64 having it
    dual-boot with Media Center Edition. x64 is awesome! I can't believe the
    speed difference. Remember, same machine but both 32 and 64 bit versions of
    Windows on it.

    As for drivers the only one I had trouble finding was for my D-linik
    wireless NIC, but after 10 minutes of research on Drivers.com I had one and
    it works great! As for anti-virus software, PlanetAMD reccomended Avast. I
    downloaded and installed it and it works flawlessly - for free!

    I'm not a gamer so I don't know how well it would work with all the games or
    the hardware required to play them. The only game I have on my system is
    Flight Sim 2004 with a Cyborg Graphite stick and they both work great! Other
    than that all of my 32 bit apps work just as well as they do with 32 bit
    Windows. I've never been a Internet Exploder fan, so I downloaded Firefox
    Dear Park Alpha 64 and it works seemlessly as well. I can honestly say that
    I've yet to run into any kind of problem running apps or using hardware. I
    even found a 64 bit driver for my laser printer from the mfg's. website, and
    it works great, even through my home network.

    My only complaint comes when I downloaded the beta for Office 2007. It
    installed and works fine, with the exception of Outlook 2007. My, but it is
    slow. That, and it keeps asking me to download this search add-on, but it
    tells me that the add-on wont work with x64. The part that really stinks is
    that it overwrote my Outlook 2003. It left the rest of Office 2003, but
    wiped out Outlook. That figures, the one part of 2003 I would like to still
    have. I'll save my comments for the new Office user interface for a later
    time.

    I'm sorry you're having such a terrible experience with x64. I've been
    using it for a month now and plan to keep on using it. I only boot to Media
    Center on rare occassions now; it seems really slow in comparison.
     
    Jeff, Jun 3, 2006
  15. Not by me, John, and I was here from the opening day. And I did a web cast
    on that opening day as well. I've said all along who the target market is,
    and that there are specific driver requirements. What is different now is
    that at the time of release, I think a lot of us hoped that the IHVs and
    ISVs would be more responsive on the driver question. I certainly did, and I
    was wrong. But at no time did I think or say that x64 Edition was for
    everyone.
     
    Charlie Russel - MVP, Jun 3, 2006
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    John Barnes Guest

    Sorry if you felt I was implicating you or Andre and 1 or 2 others in the
    'lots' category. You folks have been nothing but helpful since before this
    site, on the beta site. Many of the 'if you can't make it work for you, you
    are a loser' group have left or mellowed. Most are willing to help those
    with problems or suggest alternatives. As it is not a replacement for x86
    for most, that is why many if not most still dual boot or use a virtual
    machine. During the year, I have replaced most of my hardware that wasn't
    supported (or going to be) found acceptable substitutes for software that
    won't work properly, if at all. I still miss certain functions I had loved,
    but am learning to live without them. Except for running Ghost and filing
    documents I make in x64, I am 99% using x64. Hopefully with Vista, I can
    find programs that perform the functions I now live without, and I am hoping
    that my new hardware will have Vista drivers. Don't want that expense
    again.
    Incidentally, from another post, I am seriously considering a change from
    ASUS if I go for an AM2 board. Too many changes of the chipset fan (wish
    they had the heatsink Premium model then) BIOS updates were ridiculously
    slow, added to poor responses from tech support.
     
    John Barnes, Jun 3, 2006
  17. For the functionality of Ghost, see Acronis TrueImage. The latest version is
    fully x64 capable.
     
    Charlie Russel - MVP, Jun 3, 2006
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    John Barnes Guest

    Thanks. It's on my list, but since I have to go to x86 about once a week to
    file, backup and reload my wifes mp3 player (my new one works on x64), it
    hasn't made it to the top yet. May just wait until Vista and make sure
    everything will work there. Incidentally, does Acronis work with the Vista
    64? If it does, maybe I will move it up the list.
     
    John Barnes, Jun 3, 2006
  19. I'm pretty sure TrueImage does. There are currently some issues with Disk
    Doctor but I expect to see them fixed shortly.
     
    Charlie Russel - MVP, Jun 3, 2006
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    John Barnes Guest

    Thanks

     
    John Barnes, Jun 4, 2006
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