Windows 64-bit is awful.

Discussion in 'Windows 64 Bit' started by Disgusted, Feb 13, 2006.

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    Larry Hodges Guest

    Another thing to consider...

    According to the people I talk to, the migration to 64bit will be pushed by
    MS much faster than it was 16 to 32 bit. 64 bit will be the standard in the
    near future. Just look at the current CPU architecture. And it only makes
    sense from MS's perspective. Fewer limitations with regards to recourses,
    memory, faster apps, etc.

    Larry Hodges, Jul 21, 2006
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    MButterman Guest

    Agreed, I believe what is causing alot of the confusion is that hardware
    development is far beyond the development of a O/S to support that hardware.
    As we have all stated a million times before, this release isn't designed for
    the "average" user and has no formal support. I think if they can keep Vista
    on schedule without anymore delays and live up to it's expectations, then I
    think it will bring 64 bit out of the closet. Until then people are more than
    willing to play it safe with their tried and true 32 bit machines.

    I am a bit concerned about XP64's lifecycle after the release of Vista. This
    is OEM but I'm not seeing a big push in keeping XP64 updated with service
    packs and the such. I'm also noticing companies willing to develop Vista
    drivers and ignore XP64's need for those same drivers. Best I can figure that
    once Vista is released and implemented on a large scaled, XP64 will no longer
    be needed and be phased out.

    As an OEM, MS can do this without much in the way losses because it was
    never "packaged" and without any support. With the steep hardware
    requirements for Vista and with the understanding that there is still quite a
    bit of "legacy" hardware being used, Vista will take quite a bit of time to
    attach itself to it's market.

    I would like to see how it all pans out, this is better than who shot j.r.
    MButterman, Jul 23, 2006
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  3. Windows Server 2003 SP1 x86 and x64, and XP Pro x64 are scheduled for a
    service pack release during Q4 of this year according to the service pack
    Colin Barnhorst, Jul 23, 2006
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    MButterman Guest

    Thanks for the info,
    I am very comfortable with XP64 not very comfortable with Vista so it
    reassuring that I don't have to switch immeadiatly, if at all. I have doing
    google searches for any info and they have a "SP2 preview" but I'm leary due
    to the fact this isn't straight from MS. Well anywho, thanks for the update.
    MButterman, Jul 23, 2006
  5. Those testing it are not at liberty to discuss it here.
    Colin Barnhorst, Jul 23, 2006
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    MButterman Guest

    Thats ok Colin, I wasn't attempting to spark any discussion on it. I was
    stating this as a personal observation only. I'm patient enough to let the
    testers do their jobs and have the faith that when this goes RTM, it will be
    ready. I do appologize if I gave the impression otherwise,
    MButterman, Jul 23, 2006
  7. No prob. I was just indicating that it is underway.
    Colin Barnhorst, Jul 23, 2006
  8. Well Said Mr. Art.

    The only thing I disagree with is the HD DVD part. Although the current
    technology allows for rapid production of HD DVDs at a minimal cost, I think
    the Blu-Ray technology is actually the technology of the future. HD DVDs will
    probably win though.
    QuidnuncSimcha, Aug 10, 2006
  9. Say, "NT v5.1 x64", isn't XP Pro x64 "NT v5.2"?
    Colin Barnhorst, Dec 13, 2006
  10. In all fairness to the "potential" end-user--why does Microsoft repeatedly
    press for release their OS Software when they know it isn't ready for use?

    The mere fact that the driver situation is tenuous at best means that all
    you can do is play 32-bit solitaire on your 64-bit OS!

    That is a waste of money and time.

    Microsoft has had three years plus to get this right, and they won't correct
    the simplest of issues--sharing OS command protocols with driver
    manufacturers to keep this newer OS stable!
    anonymousopinionsunsolicitedbeleif, Dec 23, 2006
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    Theo Guest

    Is there something in the water in Mississippi that causes
    you to make such ill informed statements?

    The drivers are not Microsoft's responsibility!

    Information required to write and publish drivers is on
    Microsoft's web sites!

    You need to educate yourself about the facts before you go
    blowing off about something you apparently have little, if
    any, knowledge of!
    Theo, Dec 23, 2006
  12. XP Pro x64 is not a consumer edition. It is not even available at retail.
    Use the product for its intended uses and you will do fine.

    Colin Barnhorst, Dec 23, 2006
  13. They don't. A better question would be: "Why do some end users rush
    out to obtain and install the 'newest and shiniest' operating system
    without first taking a few minutes to determine if the manufacturers of
    their chosen hardware components have provided the appropriate drivers
    for the devices they sell?"

    Has absolutely nothing to do with Microsoft, and everything do to with
    those manufacturers who have failed their customers by not providing
    drivers for their own products.

    It's a waste of time and money only for the clueless and unprepared.

    Please provide documentation to substantiate this (so far, baseless)


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    Bruce Chambers, Dec 23, 2006
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    RR Guest

    Do you have the correct drivers installed for these devices?
    RR, Dec 24, 2006
  15. I've been using X64 for the past couple of months, albeit in a
    much more passive environment. I use it mainly to provide
    internal services to my 5-node home network.

    For my use, it has the same rock solid reliability as did NT4--
    the reliability that W2K never really had.

    Flatus Ohlfahrt, Dec 24, 2006
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    charliemor47 Guest

    That's funny as I am using that very product most successfully.
    charliemor47, Jan 21, 2007
  17. Hi everyone,

    Below, "Jud Hendrix" wrote:

    "I repreat: It is _not_ Microsoft's fault that there are no drivers," (full
    post reproduced at the bottom).

    Maybe not, but whose fault is it that Microsoft Producer for PowerPoint does
    not install on x64 systems? Producer is a non-linear editor that synchronizes
    PowerPoint presentations with audio and video to create a Windows Media
    presentation. One might think that an application like this would communicate
    to the OS through an API, so 32-bit or 64-bit would not be an issue. Not! One
    might also think that a company interested in promoting the new 64-bit
    standard would come up with coding standards and a compiler capable of
    creating 64-bit versions of an application requiring little more than
    changing the flag on the compilation command. Not! One would also think the
    latest and greatest version of the OS would have the most complete repertoire
    of features and tools for using the OS to its full potential. Not!

    Apparently the difficulty in porting an app to the x64 system is so
    difficult that Microsoft's own programmers don't do it unless they are forced
    to do so. Ever wonder why there's no 64-bit version of Office 2007?

    With the exception of a few niche markets where 64bits sells, it's going to
    be a long, lonely wait for software manufacturers to start turning out
    products that make x64 worth dealing with the headaches associated with it.

    Marsh Feldman
    Marsh Feldman, Feb 2, 2007
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    Jane C Guest

    There may be light at the end of the tunnel. I heard/read that the next
    Windows OS may well be 64 bit only. Perhaps Vista is the 'staging post' to
    full 64 bit takeup.
    Jane C, Feb 2, 2007
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    BSchnur Guest

    There may be light at the end of the tunnel. I heard/read that the next
    Could be, but then again, might be a long tunnel -- after all, when did
    XP arrive? Next version of Windows -- I'd guess we're talking 5 years
    or more.

    In any event, I'd echo the comment about Microsoft not making a big
    push regarding 64 bit. In fact, MAPS for 2007 actually has less 64 bit
    content than in the past. As a long time MAPS subscriber, I remember
    getting XP Pro 64 (along with XP Pro and XP Media Center). The January
    release this year was *32 bit only*, *business only*, and *upgrade
    only*. Strikes me as a fairly lame combination. I guess I can
    understand the 32 bit only position if Microsoft feels that Vista 64 is
    simply an extension of the Proof of Concept that XP 64 mostly was.

    Then again, for a large portion of the current marketplace, about the
    only home for 64 bit is for situations where extra memory handling is
    really needed (say for developer systems and servers).
    BSchnur, Feb 2, 2007
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    DP Guest

    You mean, like Windows XP Professional x64 ??
    DP, Feb 3, 2007
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