Windows 7 My user folder is invisible

Discussion in 'Windows Vista File Management' started by Kevryl, Mar 21, 2010.

  1. Kevryl

    Kevryl Guest

    Hello all,

    Somewhere there HAS to be a Windows 7 discussion group, but it doesn't seem
    to be listed anywhere in the Microsoft discussion groups tree. Someone in
    here may be able to help or at least point me to a Win 7 discussion group.

    I have just bought 2 identical machines with Win 7 installed. My user
    account is there on both (libraries documents right click properties)
    immediately under c:\users, but when I go to c: drive, I find only public and
    default, and when invited to "search in sub-folders" an unintelligibnle
    mish-mash of files and folders appear, and still my own user folder is not
    visible (even after playing with the alphabetical selection down arrow). I
    have gone into folder options/view and selected "show hidden folders, files
    and drives" and even unticked "hide unprotected operating system files". My
    user account still wont appear so I can get into it and copy my "outlook.pst"
    file from the old machine into its rightful place on the new ones.

    If anyone can help me with this issue, and how to get from this mish-mash of
    flattened out fiolders and files into a real directory structure I'd be most
    appreciative!
     
    Kevryl, Mar 21, 2010
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  2. Unfortunately it's highly unlikely that there will be any Microsoft
    Windows 7 newsgroups. Apparently Microsoft has decided that web-based
    forums are better than newsgroups and they are putting their efforts
    there. I'm personally sorry that's the case, but it's their decision,
    not mine. Go to
    http://answers.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/default.aspx?tab=2

    However there is at least one non-Microsoft Windows 7 newsgroup:
    alt.windows7.general. Not all servers carry it (at least not yet), but
    here's one free news server that does: aioe.org
     
    Ken Blake, MVP, Mar 21, 2010
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  3. Kevryl

    Kevryl Guest

    No, there are no users listed there, thanks Jeff.
     
    Kevryl, Mar 22, 2010
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  4. Kevryl

    Kevryl Guest

    Thank you Ken. Maybe it gives them better ability to moderate the oposts?
     
    Kevryl, Mar 22, 2010
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  5. You're welcome.



    I think that's at least in part their view. However it wasn't the only
    solution to that problem, nor even the best one, as I'm concerned.
     
    Ken Blake, MVP, Mar 22, 2010
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  6. Kevryl

    R. C. White Guest

    Hi, Kevryl.

    As Ken explained, MS has decided that there will be NO Win7 newsgroups - and
    I'm as disappointed as Ken about this. :>(

    As to your C:\Users\Kevryl folder tree...
    Is this in Windows Explorer? What IS your username? Might it possibly
    include "illegal" characters? It should not, of course, because Windows
    should not let you create such a username in the first place, but strange
    things happen sometimes.

    In an elevated Command Prompt window, you should be able to use the Dir
    command, held over from MS-DOS days when "folders" were Directories. (As
    with any command here, just type Dir /? to see a mini-Help file listing the
    switches and parameters available with this command.) Start with your
    username:
    Dir C:\kevryl /s/a

    The /s and /a switches search all subfolders and list all files, even those
    with Hidden, System or other attributes. If a file or folder named "kevryl"
    is anywhere in Drive C: it should show up and you can read the full
    pathname. (You could also search for "outlook.pst", of course.)

    If that doesn't work, post back with details about what you did - step by
    step - and what result you saw - verbatim; please don't paraphrase any error
    message that might appear. Several other techniques are available to
    fine-tune Dir searches.

    I'm assuming of course that you are an Administrator and logged in as such.

    RC
    --
    R. C. White, CPA
    San Marcos, TX

    Microsoft Windows MVP
    Windows Live Mail 2009 (14.0.8089.0726) in Win7 Ultimate x64
     
    R. C. White, Mar 22, 2010
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  7. Kevryl

    Kevryl Guest

    Thanks, R.C. for the useful info. Yes, I well remember when "folders" were
    "directories", and when you could read the whole "config.sys" file while
    between taking sips of coffee! oh, and do you remember (fondly) those real,
    hard-copy manuals, keyboard templates and quick-reference flip-cards that
    came with software like Lotus 1-2-3 and Enable? And I wonder why mass-file
    handling and filtering capabilities of programmes like Borland's X-tree were
    never incorporated by Microsoft into their limited "Explorer" windows? Once
    the extended filenames came into being it seemed to me that trying to find
    anything, guessing characters that would be substututed and appended after
    the first 6 (was it?) made using DOS directory commnds rather impractical.
    However I'll keep your info as a reference and look back into it. Anyway,
    back to the present:

    I stumbled on a "fix" for the problem of finding my user folder (though I
    can't find how I did it now,. In the User tree where "default" was listed, I
    think I right-clicked the default folder name. Whatever I did there was the
    option to "move down one position" (or very similar wording). I did that and
    all the folders, including my own magically appeared! Go figure! As I'm
    looking for where I found that (its not under the right-click menu any
    longer) the "search sub-directories" that I kept getting when my folder was
    invisible is also not to be found. The nuances of Windows 7 are quite
    puzzling to me at this early stage. :-|

    Cheers, Kevryl.
     
    Kevryl, Mar 23, 2010
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  8. Kevryl

    R. C. White Guest

    Hi, Kevryl.

    Ah, memories! Some fun, some not. ;^}

    Even in Win7, I often find that Dir /s in an elevated "DOS" window is still
    much faster and more effective than pressing Start and typing in what I'm
    looking for - but not always. Often, Search is so fast it's amazing; it
    sometimes finds what I want before I can finish typing the search word.

    But some things the GUI simply can't do. For example, the Dir /x command
    will reveal the 8.3 Short File Name for any Long File Name. VERY handy for
    when the LFN includes a space or other illegal character. Or when the LFN
    is just too long to qualify as an SFN. Dir /x shows the SFNs in a column
    before the LFNs, but only for each LFN that does not also qualify as an SFN.
    I don't know how you did it either, but don't argue with success. ;<)

    Like each other step up the learning curve, it will take a few days to get
    comfy with Win7; after that, only a few users choose to go back to their
    earlier system. I recall how angry and irritated my then-8-year-old son was
    in 1978 when TRS-80's Level II BASIC replaced the simple, tiny 4 KB Level I
    BASIC. ("What's a Syntax Error? Why can't it just say 'WHAT?' like it did
    before?")

    RC
    --
    R. C. White, CPA
    San Marcos, TX

    Microsoft Windows MVP
    Windows Live Mail 2009 (14.0.8089.0726) in Win7 Ultimate x64
     
    R. C. White, Mar 23, 2010
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  9. Kevryl

    Kevryl Guest

    Ah, "Dir /x" - THAT'S the secret! Thanks I shall note that one.

    8 years old eh? Yes I too recall the frustrations of "syntax error", as if
    the system new what one was doing but, like a teacher was bloody-mindedly
    impressing a point! LOL. I guess now, at 40 odd he probably runs rings around
    both of us?

    Cheers, have a great day.
    Kevryl
    PS: I keep ticking "notify me of replies", but it never does. :-(
     
    Kevryl, Mar 24, 2010
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  10. Kevryl

    R. C. White Guest

    Hi, Kevryl.

    Yes, my 40-year-old son is now a database programmer for the University of
    Texas. I'm still better at solving PC problems, but he speaks languages
    (like SQL and .NET and SharePoint) that I can't even read in MSDN Magazine.
    One of my favorites, although it's not needed very often.
    I never see that option because I never use "Communities" or "discussion
    groups" to read newsgroups. I've always used a newsreader, going back to
    Outlook Express and earlier. Now I use Windows Live Mail; in case your PC
    vendor did not bundle it with Win7, it is available free at
    http://download.live.com, along with all the other Windows Live Essentials
    (Live Messenger, Live Photo Gallery, etc.).

    Just click here:
    news://msnews.microsoft.com/microsoft.public.windows.vista.file_management

    That one click should fire up your default newsreader, connect you to the MS
    public news server (which is free and does not require you to log on) and to
    this newsgroup, where you can read all the same messages as in the
    discussion group, but in a newsgroup format, rather than the web-based
    browser interface. Try it and see if you like it better.

    RC
    --
    R. C. White, CPA
    San Marcos, TX

    Microsoft Windows MVP
    Windows Live Mail 2009 (14.0.8089.0726) in Win7 Ultimate x64
     
    R. C. White, Mar 24, 2010
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  11. Kevryl

    ~hp-hdx~ Guest

    I can't help with the folder issue, but I just did what you want to do with
    a .pst file for outlook 2007 in a new Vista Home Premium box. I copied the
    pst file from my old XP machine to a USB flash drive, and then plugged that
    into the Vista maching. Then in outlook on the new box I used it's import
    function and pointed it to the USB key.
    HAL
     
    ~hp-hdx~, Mar 24, 2010
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  12. Kevryl

    Kevryl Guest

    I've never used newsgroups, but I'd like to try that. However the link is
    dead, so I copied/pasted into my browser but it didn't do anything.

    I use Outlook 2002 (which i think I need to retire with Windows 7 in favour
    of Outlook 2007), not Outlook Express.

    Thanks
     
    Kevryl, Mar 25, 2010
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  13. Kevryl

    Kevryl Guest

    Hi Hal,

    I did bring the .pst file across and put it in the Outlook directory.
    Outlook found it OK, but still says it can't find som of the mailbox folders.
    Calendar, Tasks, In and Out boxes and some other mailboxes are OK, as is my
    Contacts folder. Even view settings are mostly intact, but some mailboxes
    can't be accessed. Remember too I'm on Windows 7

    Thanks.
     
    Kevryl, Mar 25, 2010
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  14. Kevryl

    R. C. White Guest

    Hi, Kevryl.

    Methinks I assumed too much. :^{

    I've been using Usenet, newsreaders and newsgroups so long that I forget
    that not everybody does - even among computer veterans.

    Outlook Express is as different from Outlook as OS X is from Windows. Well,
    almost - despite Microsoft's distressing penchant for giving confusingly
    similar names to quite different programs. :>( Both OL and OE handle
    email, especially the POP and SMTP protocols. But OE also handles NNTP
    (Network News Transfer Protocol), on which the worldwide Usenet is based:
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Usenet
    http://www.usenet.org/

    In short, Usenet is kind of like the bulletin board systems of a couple of
    decades ago. One user posts a question; many others read the question;
    somebody posts the answer; the OP (original poster) says Thank You - and
    while waiting for the answer, answers another question from a different
    poster...and so on. Everybody benefits from everybody else. Learn today,
    teach tomorrow. ;<)

    Since at least Win95, each Windows version has always included a newsreader;
    it was always OE until Vista switched to Windows Mail. Windows 7 is the
    first Windows version that does not have a newsreader application built in.
    For Win7, MS offers the free Windows Live Mail (note the "Live" in the
    name - and see my earlier comment about Microsoft's naming practices), which
    will also run on WinXP and Vista.
    The link I gave you before, the one that starts with "will not
    work if you don't have WLM or another newsreader installed. It uses the
    NNTP (news://) protocol, rather than the Internet's Hypertext Transfer
    Protocol (http://) to access the news servers and their content. You've
    accessed the same newsgroup content in your browser (Internet Explorer), but
    you are seeing it in the web-based interface, rather than the newsreader
    format. Same messages, different appearance and different methods of
    reading and responding. You are using IE; I'm using WLM; we both see the
    same content.

    Since Windows always included a newsreader before, and since many vendors
    now bundle WLM when they sell Win7, I often forget that some Win7 users
    don't have a newsreader - so that link won't work for them until they've
    installed WLM or a third-party newsreader.

    Microsoft is trying to convert us all from newsgroups to Forums (also known
    as Communities or Discussion Groups). Many MVPs (including myself) and
    others feel that newsgroups are a much better way to get and give help, so
    we are vigorously resisting the change. We may be doomed to failure, but we
    are trying hard to preserve what we feel is a better system. As I said in
    my previous post, you can download WLM (from http://download.live.com ),
    then try it and see for yourself.

    RC
    --
    R. C. White, CPA
    San Marcos, TX

    Microsoft Windows MVP
    Windows Live Mail 2009 (14.0.8089.0726) in Win7 Ultimate x64
     
    R. C. White, Mar 25, 2010
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  15. Just a clarification for you here. You say you've "never used
    newsgroups," but in fact you are using one at this moment. You think
    you're on a web-based forum, actually you are just using the web-based
    interface to this newsgroup,
    microsoft.public.windows.vista.file_management.

    Using the awful web interface to participate in this newsgroup is the
    slowest, clunkiest, most error-prone method of using the newsgroups
    there is. Do yourself a favor and switch to a newsreader, such as
    Outlook Express, which comes with Windows XP, or Windows Mail, which
    comes with Vista. See
    http://www.michaelstevenstech.com/outlookexpressnewreader.htm
     
    Ken Blake, MVP, Mar 25, 2010
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