Windows Defender

Discussion in 'Windows Vista Security' started by A. Chung, Jan 24, 2008.

  1. A. Chung

    A. Chung Guest

    I note that my Windows Vista Home Basic is equipped with a real-time malware
    protection provided by Windows Defender. Will there be any adverse effect on
    my home PC if an additional real-time anti-spyware is installed as double
    protection? I understand that such addition is not recommended for an
    anti-virus tool.
    A. Chung, Jan 24, 2008
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    Engel Guest

    Hello A. Chung,

    Knowing your next antispyware target may help others in helping you to
    answer your question.

    Do you have Windows Live OneCare installed? Having that will turn off
    Defender by default.
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    Engel, Jan 24, 2008
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  3. A. Chung

    A. Chung Guest

    Dear Engel

    I do not install Windows Live OneCare, which seems to me as a beta version
    for Windows Vista. However, I have a third party anti-spyware tool which
    provides me with a real-time protection as well. I wonder if more than one
    malware real-time protection will do any harm to my home PC.


    A. Chung, Jan 25, 2008
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    robinb Guest

    Windows defender can run along side most antimalware software
    I run superantispyware pro with real time protectionon a machine that has WD
    I run AVG antspyware on another

    I do know that Spybot Search and Destroy you need to take off tea time to
    work properly with WD but that is about the only one I know of that has a
    conflict with WD.
    Which one are you using?
    If you are not using one of the above try uninstalling that antispyware
    program and see if WD begins to behave again

    robinb, Jan 25, 2008
  5. A. Chung

    A. Chung Guest

    Hi, robinb

    I am running Spyware Terminator on my home PC after trying
    SUPERAntispyware and AVG Anti-Spyware. The latter are considered not to my
    satisfaction, in particular to the scanning speed.


    A. Chung, Jan 26, 2008

  6. I take it from the above that you are running *only* Spyware
    Terminator. If that's the case, you are not adequately protected. You
    need more than one anti-spyware program. Note what Eric Howes, who has
    done extensive testing on Anti-Spyware products, states:

    "No single anti-spyware scanner removes everything. Even the
    best-performing anti-spyware scanner in these tests missed fully one
    quarter of the "critical" files and Registry entries"

    Ken Blake, MVP, Jan 26, 2008
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    A. Chung Guest

    Hi, Ken

    Thank you for your good advice.

    In addition to Windows Defender and Spyware Terminator, my home PC has
    Ad-Aware and Spybot installed. Are these sufficient to protect my home PC or

    Appreciate if you will let me have your further assistance.


    A. Chung, Jan 27, 2008

  8. You're welcome. Glad to help.

    With four programs, you should be in good shape. But you should also
    realize that software protection, no matter how many programs you run
    or how good they are, is never perfect. You also always need to
    practice safe hex.
    Ken Blake, MVP, Jan 27, 2008
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    John Guest

    I use winpatrol so nothing gets added without my knowledge. I used to
    use defender too till it broke. Now I use avast but only to scan once a

    I also never open any kind of executing file from email i don't know about.

    I haven't had any trouble in years using just winpatrol and some scaning

    I can't use programs that run continually because I am recording music.
    they cause "blips" at least I haven't found one that doesn't.

    John, Jan 27, 2008
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    A. Chung Guest

    Hi, John

    My home PC has avast! Home Edition and WinPatrol installed too. Sometimes,
    I launch free scan by TrendSecure HouseCall as a third party opinion.


    A. Chung, Jan 28, 2008
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    Robinb Guest

    Ken is correct,
    If there was a program that got rid of all spyware well then there would be
    no reason for more, but humans create programs and a lot of the time not
    every program can "catch" the "baddies" at the same time or cannot fix a
    problem at the same time.
    That is why you need more than one.
    You should only be running one as a service and on as an application
    otherwise they will conflict with each other.
    You should also have them set on a schedule at different times so that both
    programs are not scanning at the same time- that will cause a major conflict
    and most likely make one or both the programs crash or even the OS.
    I cannot understand why you do not like Superantispyware. I use it and now
    the company is coming out with version 4.0 which runs much faster than ever
    before. I am beta testing the pro and free version now. In Vista right now
    and that will change with the final release, it still acts for rights for
    its update engine but as I said this will be fixed in the final release.
    I like Superantispyware because it gets into the nitty gritty of Vista and
    XP and finds the hidden files that most antispyware programs do not.
    I use the Pro for the resident shield (this runs as an application) and to
    be able to set a timed schedule. With the free you need to do manual scans,
    but they both do exactly the same thing except for the reason I just gave
    Windows Defender runs as a service not an application. I have been beta
    testing WD since its conception on XP before Vista came out. You can see me
    in the newsgroup for WD.
    Windows Defender has no problems with any of the antispyware programs out
    there that I know of.
    It runs with AVG antispyware, Ad-aware 2007, Superantispyware,
    Spywareblaster, Spybot Search and destroy. (in Spybot search and destroy it
    just doesn't play nice with tea timer so you would have to just not install
    the tea timer)

    I use:
    Superantispyware Pro
    Windows Defender
    Spybot Search and Destroy

    I personally do not use adaware-2007. AdawareSE was an excellant product
    but the 2007 is very funky on xp and on vista and I do not like its user
    interphase nor how it works. It has many bugs.
    But AdawareSE is fased out so you cannot use it anymore because you cannot
    get updates for it anymore.

    Also you can only install one antivirus program. If you do more they will
    surely fight with each other because they both load up on boot up and you
    might find you will not- one day.

    Robinb, Jan 28, 2008
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    A. Chung Guest

    Hi, Robin

    Thank you for your details, which help me a lot.

    I am not aware of SUPERAntispyware v4, but have tried its free edition
    v3.9.1008. The latter scanning takes long to complete, even its fast scan.
    This makes me change to Spyware Terminator v2.0.1.224, which meets my
    requirements. I assume your SUPERAntispyware Pro is a paid version and
    should work better than a free edition. It seems to me that money matters.



    A. Chung, Jan 29, 2008
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    Robinb Guest

    the difference between the Pro and the free is only that it runs in real
    time and you can schedule scans and it has a few more tweaks you can do but
    that is about it, and in this case it is more convienance than money because
    the pro and free scan the exact same things.
    I like the pro because i do not have to remember to do a scan, I can set it
    up to do it. If it finds stuff you still need user intervention to complete
    the process or you can let it quaranteen everything without you looking at
    what is there. I like to know what it is quarantining just in case it takes
    out something I really need in a legitimate program.

    On the superantispyware forum you can get tech support for both free and pro
    3.9 does take a bit longer to scan but 4.0 in a quick scan is much better.
    Most antispyware programs when doing a full scan can take up to an hour
    depending how big your HD is. The bigger the HD the longer the scans.
    If you already trialed an older version of the pro you cannot trial this new
    version. You will have to purchase it but you can try the free one and see
    if you like it and always purchase the pro right from the program.
    If you are concerned about about Superantispyware asking for permisson to do
    its update from Vista, wait until the final is out because that will be
    fixed in the final but again it is an excellant program.

    Robinb, Jan 29, 2008
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    Robinb Guest

    also for an fyi- i was a bit incorrect and checked this out
    the final will be out soon and the issue with the permissons of allowing
    superantispyware update will be fixed in 4.1 which will be released AFTER
    the final of 4.0 goes out -They have some other Vista items that will be
    addressed in 4.1 which will be likely a month or so after 4.0 ships - They
    can only pack so much into each release and want to be able to properly test
    the Vista stuff.

    Other than that as said I am now beta testing the pre release for vista and
    see no problems with this.
    To get around it now all you need to do is uncheck in the preferences- check
    for updates on startup and you will not see this issue.

    Robinb, Jan 29, 2008
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