Windows Essentials 2012 - Updated version 16.4.3508.0205 available

Discussion in 'Windows Live Mail' started by ...winston, May 14, 2013.

  1. ...winston

    ...winston Guest

    Direct download to Microsoft server for the installer executable files

    Full version 2012 installer – English language version
    http://g.live.com/1rewlive5-all/en/wlsetup-all.exe

    Web Version 2012 Installer – English Language Version
    http://g.live.com/1rewlive5-web/en/wlsetup-web.exe

    Note: Direct download links above are for the English language installer.
    For a different country replace the ‘en’ in either of the above links (urls)
    with your local language code.

    If necessary, country specific language codes can be found in the following
    pdf file (hosted on my blog)
    <http://liveunplugged.files.wordpres...des-for-windows-live-essentials-downloads.pdf>


    With respect to the Release Notes:
    <qp>
    Messenger is no longer available.
    Messenger was retired in April 2013, and is no longer available on most
    operating systems. Your Messenger contacts will come with you when you
    update to Skype. For more information, visit the Messenger has moved to
    Skype page.
    </qp>

    Well...the above is somewhat confusing. The installer does include Messenger
    which will be installed if selected or updated if present. If either of
    these occurs (install/update Messenger) then the built-in engine for
    updating the product will inform you to install a new version of
    Messenger...the new version is *Skype*

    See this article ‘Messenger New Version Prompt Is Skype’
    http://liveunplugged.wordpress.com/2013/04/02/windows-live-messenger-new-version-prompt-is-skype/

    One could always install ex-MVP Jonathan Kay’s (the most knowledgeable
    person on the planet regarding Messenger) program ‘Messenger Reviver 2’ to
    retain Messenger and if desired still have Skype (both can be run
    independently)
    <http://messengergeek.wordpress.com/...ver-2-to-bring-back-messenger-and-beat-skype/>
     
    ...winston, May 14, 2013
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    Drew Guest

    Why would one want messenger or Skype when there are many programs that
    are way better? I can do full screen audio and video with up to 6 people
    at the same time for free. Also I can just do chat with the same
    program. Better quality and waaaay more dependable than either of the
    two you mention
     
    Drew, May 15, 2013
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  3. ...winston

    ...winston Guest

    Everyone has their own preferences.....but this is the Windows Live Mail newsgroup thus WE12 (and its suite of products) applies as
    well as the cautionary comment about the Release Notes regarding Messenger/Skype and and alternative option if Messenger is still
    desired.

    Whatever floats your boat is a good path for you to follow. The 300+ million Messenger users (migrated or not to Skype) may very
    well prefer a different path.

    Personally I don't care what you use...my point was to inform.

    --
    ....winston
    msft mvp consumer apps


    "Drew" wrote in message
    Why would one want messenger or Skype when there are many programs that
    are way better? I can do full screen audio and video with up to 6 people
    at the same time for free. Also I can just do chat with the same
    program. Better quality and waaaay more dependable than either of the
    two you mention
     
    ...winston, May 15, 2013
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    Ildhund Guest

    The compile date (0205 = 5 February) is more than three months ago, after the announcement that Messenger would be retired in 2013Q1 but before the date had been set (first 15 March, eventually 8 April). It also pre-dates the release of IE10 for W7 and its associated platform update. Any idea why this release was sat upon for three months?
    The build number shows only three builds later than last September's release, 3505 > 3508, so this release is unlikely to contain any useful updates for WLMail users - categories are apparently still broken, for example.
     
    Ildhund, May 15, 2013
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    Drew Guest

    Mine was not to attack.. Simply asking a question and not necessarily
    aiming it at you. If you took it that way I apologize!
     
    Drew, May 16, 2013
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    Magnus Guest

    Kiss. Kiss.
     
    Magnus, May 17, 2013
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    ...winston Guest

    "Drew" wrote in message
    No apology necessary, no offense taken

    In fact with this version update, there's not much reason to even upgrade (to the latest version Windows Essentials QFE2 unless one
    is using Writer (the suite's blogging editor).

    The update patched a vulnerability in Writer...since one program in the suite can't be updated without the others MSFT re-releases
    the entire package.

    And you are correct, there are many other better tools than WLM depending upon one's needs. For Hotmail synchronization (folders,
    messages, contacts, calendar, photo-email, etc...unless is willing to spend the bucks on Office with Outlook...WLM is the only game
    in town).
     
    ...winston, May 17, 2013
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    ...winston Guest

    A vulnerability was discovered in Writer a while ago. After some regression testing validating the vulnerability protective
    measures for the code written in February the code was approved.

    Since an individual program in the suite is no longer updated without updating all versioning for the balance of programs MSFT
    chose (like they have in the past) to keep versioning across the suite of products common.

    Afaics, it contains no updates for anything beyond those documented in the Writer Security Bulletin and two KB articles.

    In case you missed it the following content was posted to your question on LiveSide

    cf. Security Bulletin MS13-045
    https://technet.microsoft.com/...
    - This security update resolves a privately reported vulnerability in Windows Essentials
    - An information disclosure vulnerability exists when Windows Writer fails to properly handle a specially crafted URL
    - This update is available for download only.
    - Security update file name Windows Essentials 2012:wlsetup-all.exe

    Comments:
    * Applies to Windows Essentials 2012.
    * No update for 2011. If 2011 two options -upgrade to 2012 or 'Workaround' via MSFT Fixit in KB2826075 -
    http://support.microsoft.com/k...
    * Filenames, file dates, and version see KB 2813707 - http://support.microsoft.com/k...

    And keep in mind, no matter how one looks at it...WLE/WE12 is legacy software and security updates when found may be the primary
    (or only) reason updates are released (for the foreseeable future).

    --
    ....winston
    msft mvp consumer apps


    "Ildhund" wrote in message
    The compile date (0205 = 5 February) is more than three months ago, after the announcement that Messenger would be retired in
    2013Q1 but before the date had been set (first 15 March, eventually 8 April). It also pre-dates the release of IE10 for W7 and its
    associated platform update. Any idea why this release was sat upon for three months?
    The build number shows only three builds later than last September's release, 3505 > 3508, so this release is unlikely to contain
    any useful updates for WLMail users - categories are apparently still broken, for example.
     
    ...winston, May 17, 2013
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  9. "...winston" schrieb

    Tnx Winston for the info. Just installed the German version. Last week
    i had the error 3204 problem again, hope this new version will improve
    such issues.
    For now all works perfectly.
    Will the update eventually show up in Windows Update? (or should i
    inform all my friends to also download the update manually) ...

    greetings

    Roland Schweiger
     
    Roland Schweiger, May 29, 2013
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    ...winston Guest

    If running an earlier build version of WE12 (RTM or QFE1) on Windows 7 or Windows 8, afaik, the deployment of WE12 QFE2 is not
    being pushed down the Windows Update channel.

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    ....winston
    msft mvp consumer apps


    "Roland Schweiger" wrote in message

    Tnx Winston for the info. Just installed the German version. Last week
    i had the error 3204 problem again, hope this new version will improve
    such issues.
    For now all works perfectly.
    Will the update eventually show up in Windows Update? (or should i
    inform all my friends to also download the update manually) ...

    greetings

    Roland Schweiger
     
    ...winston, May 29, 2013
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    ...winston Guest

    I don't believe so. WLM for all practical purposes is legacy-ware with updates primarily relegated to security related issues not
    feature specific, UI, or functionality issues.

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    ....winston
    msft mvp consumer apps


    "Roland Schweiger" wrote in message

    Is there any modification in WLM at all? So far i didn't notice
    anything, and thankfully all works fine.

    greetings

    Roland Schweiger
     
    ...winston, May 31, 2013
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  12. "...winston" schrieb im Newsbeitrag
    Shame though. afaik there's no alternative to WLM when using pop /
    imap / hotmail / calendar / folder-sync / local storage if wanted /
    newsgroups ...
    The mail app of W8 is no even match to wlm...

    greetings

    roland schweiger
     
    Roland Schweiger, May 31, 2013
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    ...winston Guest

    "Roland Schweiger" wrote in message Shame though. afaik there's no alternative to WLM when using pop /
    imap / hotmail / calendar / folder-sync / local storage if wanted /
    newsgroups ...
    The mail app of W8 is no even match to wlm...
    That was one of the benefits of WLM - supporting 3 different protocols
    - POP3, IMAP, DeltaSync (the latter two providing folder/message sync); all three providing local storage as individual *.eml files
    that can be opened in WLM or any text editor and viewable/previewable in Windows Explorer.
    - Likewise the ability to sync Contacts and Calendar for individual Hotmail type accounts for whatever Hotmail account was used to
    sign in or optionally a separate local contact and calendar.

    The Win8 mail app is slowly evolving but not at the rate or feature rich as most would like. For flexibility compared to what WLM
    (or Outlook) provides it has a long way to go. (and I'm not sure it will ever get there)


    ....w
     
    ...winston, Jun 1, 2013
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  14. "...winston" schrieb im Newsbeitrag

    And as a matter of fact i am one of those people who uses 'all'
    protocols - have some pop3 accounts, some IMAP and 2 hotmail/deltaSync
    ones, of which one syncs the calendar.
    Even though WLM has a few (minor) bugs and some abilities removed
    (e.g. editing html) i still find it a very nive, versatile and
    functional piece of software and will go on using it for a while.

    Do you know of any *place* at Microsoft where an individual can post
    his opinion, whish, feature request etc. where the user's opinion
    would actually be evaluated?

    Another example (just had this with a friend of mine a few weeks ago):
    she used a hotmail account on WLM and accidentially deleted all
    subfolders. The deltaSync process correctly deleted all subfolders an
    her other machines too.
    To regain the subfolders on her Win7 system, i did a simple trick:
    right-clicked the "Windows Live Mail" folder and extracted a "previous
    version" where the subfolders still were present, copied those to a
    different location and later imported them back. Voilà.
    AFAIK the mechanism of "previous versions" is no longer supported in
    W8, though the VSS (volume shaddow copy) service is still running.
    Because of such things that happened to my friend ... i'd appreciate
    if MS would continue to support the "previous version" thing, along
    side of the "file history" system which works totally different.

    I am definately not a typical W8 basher, but sometimes i wonder why
    functionality is sometimes aparantly deliberately reduced, in favor of
    small devices ...

    Anyhow, WLM still works and will for a while.

    greetings

    Roland Schweiger
     
    Roland Schweiger, Jun 1, 2013
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    ...winston Guest

    The only feedback option that remains is
    <https://feedback.live.com/default.aspx?productkey=wlmaildesktop>

    Since the product is primarily legacy-ware with the release of Windows 8 Mail app (accordingly resources re-assigned to Windows 8)
    thus as noted previously updates are most likely limited to security or under-the-hood patches when necessary thus feature requests
    and wish-list items are no longer within the scope of development.

    Note: Any feedback is triaged with other current 'Live' services <https://feedback.live.com/?scrx=1> like Hotmail, Outlook.com,
    SkyDrive etc. thus priority for WLM is at the bottom of the pile (or dispatched to the circular file).

    --
    ....winston
    msft mvp consumer apps


    "Roland Schweiger" wrote in message
    "...winston" schrieb im Newsbeitrag
    Do you know of any *place* at Microsoft where an individual can post
    his opinion, whish, feature request etc. where the user's opinion
    would actually be evaluated?
     
    ...winston, Jun 2, 2013
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  16. "...winston" schrieb


    The only feedback option that remains is
    <https://feedback.live.com/default.aspx?productkey=wlmaildesktop>


    Thanks! Seems that unfortunately this platform too is already orphaned
    because in the dropdown-list where you should specify your version, the
    highest version is WLM 2011. :-(

    greetings

    Roland Schweiger
     
    Roland Schweiger, Jun 19, 2013
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