Windows Firewall and 3rd Party Firewall

Discussion in 'Windows Vista Security' started by JamesJ, Apr 21, 2009.

  1. JamesJ

    JamesJ Guest

    Windows Vista Basic sp1.

    Im using a 3rd party firewall program. In Administrative Tools---Services
    it shows Windows Firewall status as Started. But, in Security Center it
    shows my 3rd party firewall being On but Windows Firewall being off.
    Also, in Administrative Tools---Windows Firewall with Advanced Security is
    showing
    Windows Firewall being on in Domain Profile. Is this normal?
    Why would one show Windows Firewall as On and another show it as Off???

    James
     
    JamesJ, Apr 21, 2009
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  2. JamesJ

    Victek Guest

    Windows Vista Basic sp1.
    Interesting. I have Vista Business SP1 and see the same thing. Apparently
    running the service is not the same an enabling the firewall. I guess you
    could turn off the service, however if you uninstall the 3rd party firewall
    you would have to remember to turn the service back on. 3rd party firewalls
    are usually smart enough to toggle the Windows firewall off when they
    install, and back on if they are uninstalled, but obviously the service
    needs to keep running for that to not require user interaction.
     
    Victek, Apr 21, 2009
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  3. JamesJ

    JamesJ Guest

    I keep hearing about it's not a good idea to have 2 Firewall programs
    running, that they
    could conflict.
     
    JamesJ, Apr 21, 2009
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  4. JamesJ

    Jesper Ravn Guest

    Yes that's correct.
    Uninstall the 3rd party firewall and enable/use Vista's built-in. Thats
    really all you need.

    /Jesper
     
    Jesper Ravn, Apr 21, 2009
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  5. JamesJ

    JamesJ Guest

    My 3rd party firewall is part of a internet security suite and I plan on
    keeping
    it up and running unless I run into some unforeseen problems, it stays.

    James
     
    JamesJ, Apr 21, 2009
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  6. JamesJ

    Jesper Ravn Guest

    Ok, but then uninstall your security suite, you really dont need it.
    To setup a simple and clean defense layer, follow these steps:

    1. Enable automatic updates (Windows + Adobe + Java, etc.)
    http://www.mechbgon.com/build/security2.html#update

    2. Enable windows firewall
    http://www.mechbgon.com/build/security2.html#firewall

    3. Usa a limited user account (LUA)
    http://www.mechbgon.com/build/security2.html#non-admin

    4. Setup Software Restriction policy
    http://www.mechbgon.com/srp/

    5. Make one baseline image (system backup)
    http://www.macrium.com/ReflectFree.asp

    6. Implement data backup (ex. Carbonite online backup)
    http://www.carbonite.com

    Security suites gives people a lot of problems, dont waste your time and
    mony on these products.

    /Jesper
     
    Jesper Ravn, Apr 21, 2009
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  7. JamesJ

    JamesJ Guest

    This software also is anti-virus. And as far as I know Windows has none
    except for Live Onecare which is a suite that 'gives people a lot of
    problems.'

    Seems to be working fine for me, for a long time
    Must admit though it seems to have slowed my startup somewhat.

    James
     
    JamesJ, Apr 21, 2009
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  8. JamesJ

    Jesper Ravn Guest

    The point is, that security suites today, is one big ripoff and in the end,
    they just slow down your work and waste your time.
    If you try to follow the steps I listed before, you dont need Antivirus,
    Antispyware, Personal FW or any other security utilitis.

    /Jesper
     
    Jesper Ravn, Apr 21, 2009
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  9. JamesJ

    JamesJ Guest

    Shouldn't one scan for viruses occasionally, though??

    You've put a bug in my ear now.

    James
     
    JamesJ, Apr 22, 2009
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  10. JamesJ

    JamesJ Guest

    Any other opinions? Please feel free to jump in.
     
    JamesJ, Apr 22, 2009
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  11. JamesJ

    Jesper Ravn Guest

    No, because you wont get infected if you follow the steps I provied before.
    Its that simple.

    Pros:
    No more 1 year paid license (security suites)
    No more bugs or constantly updates
    No more processes that hangs or goes down
    No more installation of scam tools like Superantispyware, Malwarebytes etc.
    No more malware on your PC.

    Cons:
    None

    /Jesper
     
    Jesper Ravn, Apr 22, 2009
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  12. You would still need antivirus (and anti-malware would still be a good
    idea).
     
    FromTheRafters, Apr 22, 2009
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  13. JamesJ

    Jesper Ravn Guest

    Do tell, why we still need it?.

    /Jesper
     
    Jesper Ravn, Apr 22, 2009
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  14. There is no reason (except for human nature) for antivirus to be as
    cumbersome as it is in today's environment. Given all of Jesper's
    excellent suggestions for securing your system (and strict adherence to
    such measures) you would still need antivirus because viruses can get in
    through even the trusted methods for running any new programs.

    Antivirus is always a part of safe computing best practices.
     
    FromTheRafters, Apr 22, 2009
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  15. Antivirus used to be a tool to help a user determine if a program has
    been infected with a known virus. It has since become a crutch to enable
    users to exhibit unsafe behavior. Seeing the unsafe behavior, and
    enacting countermeasures to virtually negate the need for the crutch
    does not remove the original need for the detector.

    Add to that the fact that viruses can gain ingress by worms, so policies
    aren't the last word.

    Keep an AV (preferably an "on access" scanner) and the windows firewall.
    There is no shame in running the occasional anti[malware|spyware|adware]
    applications. A *real* firewall is a good idea too.
     
    FromTheRafters, Apr 22, 2009
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  16. Same as always - to determine if a program is infected with a known
    virus before executing it on the system.
     
    FromTheRafters, Apr 22, 2009
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  17. JamesJ

    Dave Guest

    My 2ยข:

    Back up your files. I use Acronis True Image Home, plus I have a Windows
    Home Server.
    Burn you photos and other precious files to DVD, in addition to backing them
    up.
    Don't use a security suite. They try to do too much, and don't do it very
    well.
    Use Windows Firewall and Defender.
    Use a free Anti-virus, like AVG or Avast, and make sure they are updated.
    Don't scan email, it's superfluous and can cause corruption. Anti-spam
    software causes more problems than it solves.
    Run Ad-Aware and/or Malwarebytes scans weekly, after updating them.
    Back up your files.
     
    Dave, Apr 22, 2009
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  18. JamesJ

    Jesper Ravn Guest

    Says who. This is where i strongly disagree with you.
    Take any given new trojan and scan it with a online scanner and you will see
    the poor results.
    People install a security suite and they dont have to think anymore, that is
    so wrong and it wont solve the malware problem.
    That is false security and it will only gives them a lot of problems. (slow
    computer/internet, crashes, you name it).

    Malware can only get in, if you choose to logon with an admin account, and
    install it. But this is where the word "think" comes in.
    Only install applications from trusted sources. If you dont know, search
    google.
    And if you dont think and malware slips through, you will be up and running
    again within 2 hours (from your baseline image and data backup).
    How hard can it be :).

    /Jesper
     
    Jesper Ravn, Apr 22, 2009
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  19. JamesJ

    Jesper Ravn Guest

    I asume that you are talking about installing new applications with a admin
    account, right.
    In the past (+10 years) I have installed a loooots of applications, my AV
    newer said anything
    Search google instead to see if its a trusted application/source.

    /Jesper
     
    Jesper Ravn, Apr 22, 2009
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  20. JamesJ

    JamesJ Guest

    Don't you think that with security suite I now can basically forget about
    vulnerabilities and maybe have some fun with my computer???

    James
     
    JamesJ, Apr 22, 2009
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