Windows Live Essentials 2011 Update

Discussion in 'Windows Live Mail' started by Ildhund, Jul 7, 2011.

  1. Ildhund

    Ildhund Guest

    Version 15.4.3835.0513 was released yesterday (probably not in all markets yet).
    http://windowsteamblog.com/windows_...n-update-to-windows-live-essentials-2011.aspx

    The experience of WLMail is, so far, disappointing to say the least. Simple bugs dating from last September have not been fixed
    (although sort by /To/ in a Sent items folder now works), and new ones/reduced functionality have been introduced. 'Send to > Mail
    recipient' for an image file still requires the user to be signed in, and (after a quick look) converting a photo email to a
    standard one with attachment using the paperclip no longer works.

    I couldn't start a new newsgroup post nor a reply to an old one in plain text despite having that option selected at Options > Send.

    More testing and, I suspect, more disappointment awaits.
     
    Ildhund, Jul 7, 2011
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  2. "Ildhund" wrote in message
    Version 15.4.3835.0513 was released yesterday (probably not in all markets
    yet).
    http://windowsteamblog.com/windows_...n-update-to-windows-live-essentials-2011.aspx

    The experience of WLMail is, so far, disappointing to say the least. Simple
    bugs dating from last September have not been fixed
    (although sort by /To/ in a Sent items folder now works), and new
    ones/reduced functionality have been introduced. 'Send to > Mail
    recipient' for an image file still requires the user to be signed in, and
    (after a quick look) converting a photo email to a
    standard one with attachment using the paperclip no longer works.

    I couldn't start a new newsgroup post nor a reply to an old one in plain
    text despite having that option selected at Options > Send.

    More testing and, I suspect, more disappointment awaits.
    --
    Noel, I too installed the update and it doesn't do anything to help the
    newsreader part which is what I need.
    In your opinions what is the best news reader I can use for free? It needs
    to be fairly plain and easy to use, I tried Forte but its too complicated
    and is no longer free.

    Thanks for any answers to help a 77 year old newsreader junkie.

    Regards, Rene
     
    Rene Lamontagne, Jul 7, 2011
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  3. Ildhund

    Bruce Hagen Guest


    Thunderbird does mail and news. I hacked in Vista's Windows Mail and use
    that for news on my Win7 machine. Google Gravity. They keep making that a
    better newsreader.
     
    Bruce Hagen, Jul 7, 2011
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  4. Ildhund

    Leala Guest

    WLM is useless for newsgroup. Period.
     
    Leala, Jul 7, 2011
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  5. Ildhund

    Ruby Guest

    2009 works just fine.
     
    Ruby, Jul 7, 2011
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  6. Ildhund

    Leala Guest

    So does Tbird and it's up to date. :)
     
    Leala, Jul 7, 2011
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  7. Ildhund

    Andrea M. Guest

    Is the indent issue still present in this latest update ?

    Andrea
     
    Andrea M., Jul 8, 2011
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  8. Ildhund

    Ildhund Guest

    Andrea M. wrote...
    If you mean that quoted material in plain text messages is not indented and not marked with an indent symbol, then yes. No change.
     
    Ildhund, Jul 8, 2011
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  9. Ildhund

    bj Guest

    "Leala" wrote in message
    WLM is useless for newsgroup. Period.
    ===============================

    Not for me it isn't.

    It has its quirks/bugs/etc but so does everything else -- and I hate having
    to use multiple programs (each with *its own* ways of doing things) when I
    can get all the functions in one, even if it does mean I have to remember a
    few oddities here & there that may be different from the oddities I've been
    used to in previous versions of a multipurpose program.
    bj
     
    bj, Jul 8, 2011
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  10. Ildhund

    Barry Lindin Guest

    same here. as an email client it works weel. usenet not so much.
     
    Barry Lindin, Jul 8, 2011
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  11. "bj" wrote in message
    "Leala" wrote in message
    WLM is useless for newsgroup. Period.
    ===============================

    Not for me it isn't.

    It has its quirks/bugs/etc but so does everything else -- and I hate having
    to use multiple programs (each with *its own* ways of doing things) when I
    can get all the functions in one, even if it does mean I have to remember a
    few oddities here & there that may be different from the oddities I've been
    used to in previous versions of a multipurpose program.
    bj


    Hello all, And a BIG thanks to all who took the time to answer and help me
    choose a new newsreader.
    I D/Led and installed Thunderbird 5.0 last night and have spent a few hrs.
    trying to learn some of it’s features, So far it sure seems to be a lot
    better than WLM 2011, Will report in a few days

    Regards, Rene
     
    Rene Lamontagne, Jul 8, 2011
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  12. Ildhund

    bj Guest

    "Rene Lamontagne" wrote in message

    "bj" wrote in message
    "Leala" wrote in message
    WLM is useless for newsgroup. Period.
    ===============================

    Not for me it isn't.

    It has its quirks/bugs/etc but so does everything else -- and I hate having
    to use multiple programs (each with *its own* ways of doing things) when I
    can get all the functions in one, even if it does mean I have to remember a
    few oddities here & there that may be different from the oddities I've been
    used to in previous versions of a multipurpose program.
    bj


    Hello all, And a BIG thanks to all who took the time to answer and help me
    choose a new newsreader.
    I D/Led and installed Thunderbird 5.0 last night and have spent a few hrs.
    trying to learn some of it’s features, So far it sure seems to be a lot
    better than WLM 2011, Will report in a few days

    Regards, Rene
    ====================================

    I hope you like TBd better than I did. I tried it, oh, maybe early last year
    & just never did glom to it. Too bad, as using it would have spared me any
    number of tut-tuts (of varying degrees of cleanliness) in a few usenet
    groups, mostly from people who'd rather tell me off about my posting method
    (s/w) than answer the questions.

    I'll stick with WLM2011 & its quirks. Despite the scoldings.
    :)
    bj
     
    bj, Jul 9, 2011
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  13. Ildhund

    ...winston Guest

    Afaik, not on the drawing board. That ship (request) sunk a long time ago.
    Primary efforts (resources, expense, and budget) appear and have been for
    quite some time to be placed on integration with the other Live Essential
    apps.

    Nntp, plain text requests while accepted as feedback will rarely rise as
    priority now or imo will they be in the future since collected telemetry
    data is dwarfed by issues related to Hotmail, Photo Email, and
    synchronization for Live ID specific usage (Hotmail, Contacts, Calendar)

    The focus will be on 'Live' - which means integration across WLE apps,
    Hotmail, Messenger, Photo Gallery (photo e-mail), SkyDrive, and probably
    most importantly 'Social Media' as its growth continues as a communication
    tool.

    WLM (Mail) design intent is for use with Hotmail type accounts (i.e Live
    service).

    --
    ....winston
    msft mvp mail

    "Andrea M." wrote in message
    Is the indent issue still present in this latest update ?

    Andrea
     
    ...winston, Jul 9, 2011
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  14. Ildhund

    ...winston Guest

    <qp>
    We will be rolling this update out in 2 phases. Starting this week, it will
    be available at http://explore.live.com and on Microsoft Download Center.
    Later this month, existing Windows Live Essentials 2011 customers will be
    prompted to update to this version. At that time, it will be offered as an
    optional update.
    </qp>

    It might be important to note that in the past that optional updates have
    eventually become mandatory. That joy ride being driven by design intent
    integration across WLE applications.

    Knowing that no mix and match is possible, past mandatory updates to retain
    functionality (e.g. Messenger versions) etc..any mandatory update for one
    app can drive the mandatory need for all apps (with or without a change in
    features).

    With XP life cycle approaching(2009 updates have ceased but keep in mind it
    still uses some backend servers - public folder for photo email instead of
    2011's SkyDrive approach) thus how long it remains a viable may not mean in
    perpetuity or until the end of XP's lifecyle.

    In the same vein, as noted above a history of 'optional to mandatory
    exists', thus it should not surprise anyone that in time, even 2011
    versions have the potential to be deprecated for future versions (due to a
    need for other app upgrades or the actual product itself).

    If folks are expecting past feature concerns to be resolved in wholesale
    fashion...history should also tell them that *ain't* going to happen soon
    unless it impacts existing synchronization with or use of other Live
    services.


    --
    ....winston
    msft mvp mail

    "Ildhund" wrote in message
    Version 15.4.3835.0513 was released yesterday (probably not in all markets
    yet).
    http://windowsteamblog.com/windows_...n-update-to-windows-live-essentials-2011.aspx

    The experience of WLMail is, so far, disappointing to say the least. Simple
    bugs dating from last September have not been fixed
    (although sort by /To/ in a Sent items folder now works), and new
    ones/reduced functionality have been introduced. 'Send to > Mail
    recipient' for an image file still requires the user to be signed in, and
    (after a quick look) converting a photo email to a
    standard one with attachment using the paperclip no longer works.

    I couldn't start a new newsgroup post nor a reply to an old one in plain
    text despite having that option selected at Options > Send.

    More testing and, I suspect, more disappointment awaits.
     
    ...winston, Jul 9, 2011
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  15. Ildhund

    N. Miller Guest

    I only keep WLMail around for its ability to synchronize the folders of my
    Hotmail account. If I didn't have a Hotmail account I wanted to synchronize,
    I'd not even install Windows Live Mail.
     
    N. Miller, Jul 9, 2011
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  16. Ildhund

    Bill Guest

    Been following this thread and I still use the older WLM with Vista. Have
    not updated for all the reasons mentioned. And as you have said Winston by
    not doing that WLmessenger no longer works since its not updated. So I don't
    bother use messenger anymore. Same for other Live programs, don't use them.
    I have always been a MS supporter but it seems they have done a good job
    alienating a lot of users

    I have stuck with WLM as I like the synch features in calendar

    Now on my new Win 7 laptop I will do the updates as its not critical to my
    work

    Bill
     
    Bill, Jul 11, 2011
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  17. "Leala" schrieb im Newsbeitrag

    Well i would not say that WLM is useless for newsgroups,
    just that MS (along with many internet service providers) regard
    newsgroups as outdated.
    In some way i suppose they have their reasons but i am also one of
    these people who still enjoy nntp because it is relatively easy to use
    and you do not have to log into all these message boards etc.

    greetings

    Roland Schweiger
     
    Roland Schweiger, Jul 14, 2011
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  18. Ildhund

    bj Guest

    "Roland Schweiger" wrote in message
    "Leala" schrieb im Newsbeitrag

    Well i would not say that WLM is useless for newsgroups,
    just that MS (along with many internet service providers) regard
    newsgroups as outdated.
    In some way i suppose they have their reasons but i am also one of
    these people who still enjoy nntp because it is relatively easy to use
    and you do not have to log into all these message boards etc.

    greetings

    Roland Schweiger
    =========================================

    It's also *way faster* since it's text & doesn't require all that pretty
    screen redrawing.
    bj
     
    bj, Jul 14, 2011
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