Windows Live Mail - Help

Discussion in 'Windows Live Mail' started by BillW50, Feb 6, 2014.

  1. BillW50

    BillW50 Guest

    I pressed on help on the menu bar and then "Get help with Mail" and my
    browser opened up to mail.live.com. And it automatically signed me in
    and had a live version of Outlook up on the screen. Now where is WLM
    help at?
     
    BillW50, Feb 6, 2014
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    StephenB Guest


    http://windows.microsoft.com/en-US/windows-live/windows-essentials-help#v1h=tab4


    Note that this is a 'dead' newsgroup only carried by news servers that don't
    respect the remove group commands set when Microsoft shut down the
    microsoft.public nntp servers.

    Discussion for Windows Live Mail can be found here:
    http://answers.microsoft.com/en-us/...postedBefore=&threadType=All&tm=1391684745690

    -steve
     
    StephenB, Feb 6, 2014
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  3. BillW50

    BillW50 Guest

    Thanks Steve!
    Why would I be interested in a cloud based forum owned and operated by
    Microsoft for? The only people who uses them are Microsoft butt kissing
    zealots. And the last time I had checked, Microsoft doesn't own USENET.
    And they are not allowed to remove any group except on their own
    servers. This is known as freedom. Anything else is known as slavery.
     
    BillW50, Feb 6, 2014
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  4. BillW50

    R. C. White Guest

    Hi, Bill.

    You are not just "preaching to the choir"; you are preaching AT the choir!
    :>{

    Steve Boots is one of our best and most-knowledgeable supporters of WLM and
    newsgroups.

    Surely you know by now that MSFT has abandoned Usenet and NNTP and no longer
    supports newsgroups at all. :>( MSFT will be happy when OE and all its
    descendants are dead and fade from our memories. You and I - and Steve -
    may be the final holdouts.

    In 2010, MSFT shut down their own NNTP servers and REQUESTED that all Usenet
    servers cancel all the microsoft.public NGs. But many NSPs (News Service
    Providers) continue to carry some or all of those NGs. (My own ISP,
    Grande.com, still carries over 100,000 m.p NGs.) And there are many others,
    both free and fee, that can be found if you simply Bingle (using either Bing
    or Google) for "Usenet".

    But you knew all that, didn't you, Bill? ;^}

    RC
    --
    R. C. White, CPA
    San Marcos, TX

    Microsoft Windows MVP (2002-2010)
    Windows Live Mail 2012 (Build 16.4.3508.0205) in Win8.1 Pro


    "BillW50" wrote in message
    Thanks Steve!
    Why would I be interested in a cloud based forum owned and operated by
    Microsoft for? The only people who uses them are Microsoft butt kissing
    zealots. And the last time I had checked, Microsoft doesn't own USENET.
    And they are not allowed to remove any group except on their own
    servers. This is known as freedom. Anything else is known as slavery.
     
    R. C. White, Feb 6, 2014
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  5. BillW50

    BillW50 Guest

    Yes. And my gut feeling is all of the programmers up to XP SP2 and prior
    are long gone from Microsoft. Now a new group is in charge and wants to
    kill anything before them. I have no proof of anything of course, but it
    sure looks that way. If that isn't true, Microsoft is failing at leaving
    an impression of otherwise.
    Yes but so what? Microsoft could request that the sun doesn't rise
    tomorrow. That doesn't mean it is not going to happen, does it? They
    could request all they want to USENET and it isn't going to happen until
    they buy it. And gosh don't let that happen! :-(
     
    BillW50, Feb 6, 2014
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  6. BillW50

    StephenB Guest

    As RC indicated, you are preaching to the choir. :)

    There are some other holdouts that frequent here, but the major traffic is over
    at the forum. And, no, the forum is certainly frequented by much more than
    people that love Microsoft. You'll see many people complaining there.

    The nntp remove group message is part of the design of nntp from way back. It
    was a way for the "owner" of the group to clean up. In the alt.* hierarchy the
    creation of groups is a bit out of hand and cleanup is handled by each nsp, if
    at all. The microsoft.public groups were indeed "owned" by Microsoft. They were
    created by Microsoft and groups were added and removed over the life of the
    service. When the servers were slated for shut down, this meant not just that
    the servers were no longer accessible for those connecting the the Microsoft
    server directly (the server was open to all), but the groups were supposed to be
    shut down. Of course, due to the nature of nntp, each nsp decides what messages
    to allow -- for example, most do not allow a cancel message to be submitted by a
    user. The microsoft.public groups continue to exist and traffic flows through
    nntp because the servers that carry these groups explicitly don't honor the
    remove group message, instead leaving the decision to the local admin for the
    server.

    Take care,

    -steve
     
    StephenB, Feb 7, 2014
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  7. BillW50

    R. C. White Guest

    Hi, Bill.

    Oops! I need to correct one line in my post - a line that you might not
    have noticed anyhow.

    I said:
    Grande does carry over 100,000 NGs, but only about 4,000 are
    microsoft.public holdovers. I just now subscribed (again) to
    microsoft.public.basic, just to see if I could. It has only 3 messages, the
    last posted 4/30/2009, Subject: hello! Want to buy software Retail or OEM,
    Microsoft, Adobe, Macromedia, Corel Symantec. So I Unsubscribed
    immediately, of course.

    A few years ago I subscribed to over 2 dozen m.p NGs and it took me all day
    just to read "today's" posts. Now, I'm down to 3 of those groups(outlook,
    64-bit.general and WLM.desktop) and they seldom get a dozen posts, total, in
    a day. So I subscribe to a few alt.* groups (Win8, Win7, Quicken and one
    for my MSI mobo) plus 3 on other servers (Annex Cafe and an ex-MVP site).
    Still don't get enough posts on all of them to keep me busy.

    RC


    "BillW50" wrote in message
    Yes. And my gut feeling is all of the programmers up to XP SP2 and prior
    are long gone from Microsoft. Now a new group is in charge and wants to
    kill anything before them. I have no proof of anything of course, but it
    sure looks that way. If that isn't true, Microsoft is failing at leaving
    an impression of otherwise.
    Yes but so what? Microsoft could request that the sun doesn't rise
    tomorrow. That doesn't mean it is not going to happen, does it? They
    could request all they want to USENET and it isn't going to happen until
    they buy it. And gosh don't let that happen! :-(
     
    R. C. White, Feb 7, 2014
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  8. Some of us still read this group <g>
     
    ...winston‫, Feb 7, 2014
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  9. If it automatically signed you in, you were already signed in to
    Microsoft services
    - in a Windows Live or Windows Essentials client (e.g. Windows Live Mail)
    - already signed in a web browser
    - using Windows 8 with a Microsoft account
    - configured a pre-Win8 o/s to use your Microsoft account (Live
    ID/Passport) as the windows logon

    WLM has two modes of operation
    - Sign on to Microsoft services
    - No Sign on
    Each mode has its own unique set of contacts and calendar
    - the former syncs contacts and calendar (databases stored locally an
    online)
    - the latter only stores contact and calendar databases locally.

    For WLM you might want to take a look at a few of my earlier articles
    which still apply.

    http://liveunplugged.wordpress.com/2011/01/30/windows-live-mail-contacts-operating-modes/

    http://liveunplugged.wordpress.com/2010/09/11/windows-live-mail-wave-4-ribbon-gui/

    http://liveunplugged.wordpress.com/2010/12/06/windows-live-mail-version-2011-options-menu/



    http://liveunplugged.wordpress.com/2011/02/04/windows-live-mail-contacts-database/
     
    ...winston‫, Feb 7, 2014
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  10. BillW50

    R. C. White Guest

    Hi, Winston.

    Oh, yeah! I KNEW I was overlooking somebody! ;<)

    Last one out, turn off the lights...

    RC
    --
    R. C. White, CPA
    San Marcos, TX

    Microsoft Windows MVP (2002-2010)
    Windows Live Mail 2012 (Build 16.4.3508.0205) in Win8.1 Pro


    ""...winston‫"" wrote in message
    Some of us still read this group <g>
     
    R. C. White, Feb 7, 2014
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  11. BillW50

    mac Guest

    Consider it done R. C. :)

    mac
     
    mac, Feb 7, 2014
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  13. BillW50

    Al Sparber Guest

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    Al Sparber, Feb 7, 2014
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