Windows Live, Windows Live Beta, Windows Mail, Outook Express :-)

Discussion in 'Windows Live Mail' started by Bruce, Oct 3, 2007.

  1. Bruce

    Bruce Guest

    Does someone have a concise summary of the relationships between these
    versions of mail. I am currently using Window Live Mail Desktop client
    version 12.0.1184. To be clear the help about diaglog box only says Windws
    Live Mail and doesnt' mention any reference of being a beta or desktop.

    I use to use Outlook Express which started showing symptons of not being
    able to connect so I upgrated to the Windonws Live beta and then (I thought)
    to the RTM version.

    Now there is the brower based version which is again different? So here are
    the issues:

    1) I have a good deal of email messages in the Version 12.0.1182 Windows
    Live Mail Storage Folders.
    2) I no longer can sync using the Version 12.0.1184 Windows Live Mail client
    (Desktop?) as I get the following error message:

    Unable to poll for new messages on your HTTP server. There is an error
    synchronizing your mail account. Please verify your account has been
    configured correctly by first accessing your mail on the web. Server:
    '', Protocol:
    HTTPMail, Server Response: 'Exception of type 'System.OutOfMemoryException'
    was thrown.', Port: 80, Secure(SSL): No, Server Error: 5102, Error Number:

    3) How do I get these email messages out of Windows Live Destop Storage
    Folders into the "New" web based only Window Live?

    Thanks for any clarificaiton and help in advance...

    Bruce, Oct 3, 2007
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    alphabeta2 Guest

    Hi Bruce..
    First, upgrade to the latest version, 12.0.1365. That should clear up a lot
    of it....
    alphabeta2, Oct 3, 2007
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    R. C. White Guest

    Hi, Bruce.

    The Microsoft Naming Team has done it again! In spades, this time. Your
    experience is only a part of it - and you still have some of it wrong. :>(

    First there was Outlook, the complete email/calendar/etc. application that
    was (and still is) a part of Microsoft Office. It did not and still does
    not handle NNTP newsgroups.

    Then there was Microsoft Internet Mail & News (msimn.exe), which was later
    renamed Outlook Express. It handles both email and news, and I used it
    throughout its lifetime, ending with OE6 in WinXP. OE will not run in

    Vista includes the re-written and re-named OE, now called Windows Mail. It
    is on every Vista DVD-ROM produced, and will continue to be a presence in
    Vista "forever", I suppose. At least, until some future SP arrives, perhaps
    incorporating the final WLM. And WM will have to be supported "forever",
    too, even after it is no longer being sold and installed. WM will not run
    in WinXP or any other pre-Vista Windows. :>(

    And then there is Windows Live! I've avoided anything with "Live" in the
    name, except for Windows Live Mail, but the Windows Live family is quite
    large, including Messenger, Photo, Write and other stuff.

    By avoiding "Live", I did not even see the Windows Live Mail desktop beta
    until just days before its demise at the end of May 2007. I installed the
    final version of WLMd (build 8.0.1226) just in time to uninstall it and
    replace it with Windows Live Mail (no "desktop") beta build 12.0.1184, which
    I used until about September 1, when I updated it to build 12.0.1365. You
    might note that "desktop" is still a part of the name of this newsgroup, and
    it is still a part of the URL to download the latest WLM beta. WLM beta
    will run in Vista and in WinXP - and maybe in earlier Windows, but I don't

    You can get your copy of 1365 here:
    Windows Live Mail Beta

    (Note that if you are running Vista x64, you'll need some extra instructions
    to get this installed because WLInstaller.exe doesn't work in x64. :>( For
    tips on how some of us did it, see the thread "Thanks again MS - No support
    for Vista 64!" started here by Imageman on 9/9/07.)

    Installation of 1365 SHOULD automatically import your settings and messages
    from earlier versions. If not, you can use the Import function to get them.
    Don't bother to get newsgroup messages; you'll have to download all those
    again after you get 1365 running.

    We can run WM and WLM beta side by side, since they each maintain their own
    message stores. My strategy is to have both WM and WLM set to leave emails
    on the server for 14 days. So long as I run WM at least every couple of
    weeks and download messages, my WM database will be complete (except for
    WLM's Sent Items), ready for import into the FINAL WLM, whenever it arrives.

    There's more, Bruce, but we're in severe danger of information overload
    already, so I'll shut up and wait for further questions. ;<)

    R. C. White, CPA
    San Marcos, TX

    Microsoft Windows MVP
    (Running Windows Live Mail beta 2 in Vista Ultimate x64 SP1 beta v.275)
    R. C. White, Oct 3, 2007
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    N. Miller Guest

    The current version of Windows Live Mail is 12.0.1365.
    There is no "RTM version" of WLM; yet. It is still in beta.
    The "New" web based only "Windows Live" is actually, "Windows Live Hotmail",
    which replaces "MSN Hotmail". You would need to be able to sycnchronize WLM
    to a Hotmail account to upload from the client to the server; so you have to
    fix that problem first.
    You probably need to start by downloading the latest version of Windows Live
    Mail: 12.0.1365.
    N. Miller, Oct 3, 2007
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    Stan Nelson Guest

    I was a considerable fan of Outlook Express, having used it from its
    beginning through OE6. Earlier builds of Windows Live Mail did nothing for
    me -- but with build 1365 that changed! I'm using only WLM now (with
    XP2ProSP2) and will continue to do so.

    Stan Nelson
    Stan Nelson, Oct 3, 2007
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    Bruce Guest

    Well, I think we made some progess... we have a new error message....

    Unable to send or receive messages for the Hotmail account. Windows Live
    Mail can't connect to the Hotmail server. To send and receive messages in
    your Hotmail account, go to on the Web, or try again

    Server Error: 5102
    Server Response: Exception of type 'System.OutOfMemoryException' was thrown.
    Server: ''
    Windows Live Mail Error ID: 0x8DE00002

    Thanks for all the feedback so far!

    Bruce, Oct 4, 2007
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    Scott Pfaff Guest

    Scott Pfaff, Nov 16, 2007
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    N. Miller Guest

    Windows Live: The catchall for a series of related products. More here:

    Windows Live Beta: You probably mean, "Windows Live Mail beta", the stand
    alone client which is currently out of beta at version 12.0.1606. Supposed
    to be the replacement for MS Outlook Express 6 (Windows XP, SP2) and Windows
    Mail (Windows Vista).

    Windows Mail: The client included with the Windows Vista operating system.

    MS Outlook Express 6: The client included with Windows XP, SP2; part of MS
    Internet Explorer 6.
    Download the latest version of Windows Live Mail here:

    This installer will start out with two pre-checked boxes, unrelated to
    Windows Live Mail. Read the popup carefully, and decide if you really want
    those items, or not. They are not necessary, and I unchecked them when I ran
    it. After which, you advance through a couple more pop up menus. When you
    get to the menu for installing products, read carefully again. If all you
    want is Windows Live Mail, check only that product, and nothing else. As
    long as you have not got major problems with the current version of Windows
    Live Mail, the latest version will install over. The message store should be
    in the same place; but you should back up the old message store anyway. Just
    in case.
    No need to do that; but if you want to do that, you add your Windows Live
    Hotmail account in Windows Live Mail (it should automatically select the
    correct HTTP Mail servers). Then you just drag and drop, or use File > Menu
    Hopefully, that helps.
    N. Miller, Nov 17, 2007
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