windows mail is a piece of crap

Discussion in 'Windows Vista Mail' started by Dominick Feragola, Apr 8, 2007.

  1. this email program is not worth a penny..............still having problems
     
    Dominick Feragola, Apr 8, 2007
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  2. It appears that the "problem" sits about .75 - 1 meter in front of the
    monitor. This problem can not give a description as to what is wrong.
    Therefore, no one can assist him.
     
    Richard Urban, Apr 8, 2007
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  3. Dominick Feragola

    SE Guest

    Windows Mail looks like the old OUTLOOK, but with Outlook Express6 you could
    load and send all your Hotmail accounts in HTTP without going to the webside
    what was very handy and this is not be possible in Windows Mail.
    That for me it is using the old XP in stead of Vista, as it is to much
    trouble to cheque all the time, but Microsoft let us pay €19 a year for
    using this facillity and now it is not working any more in VISTA.
     
    SE, Apr 8, 2007
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  4. Dominick Feragola

    Sandancer Guest

    Got to say that windows mail is a huge improvement over outlook express
    works fine for me
     
    Sandancer, Apr 8, 2007
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  5. Dominick Feragola

    tsp Guest

    Sandaner, give it a few days, you will be as digusted as the rest of us.
    Mine worked fine for a few days too.
     
    tsp, Apr 8, 2007
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  6. Dominick Feragola

    Isaac Hunt Guest

    Use something else then, there are lots of freeware options.
    Thunderbird being one.
     
    Isaac Hunt, Apr 8, 2007
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  7. Dominick Feragola

    Mickey Segal Guest

    Switching a mail program is something people should not do lightly if they
    have a lot of archived mail that they depend on. If you save your email and
    have confidence that Microsoft will fix Windows Mail it is reasonable to
    stick with it for now.

    A signal from Microsoft that they understand that Windows Mail needs fixing
    and they will not disappoint us would be helpful in keeping people from
    giving up on Windows Mail (or even Vista itself). MVPs related to other
    parts of Microsoft technology are often a conduit for such reassurances.
     
    Mickey Segal, Apr 8, 2007
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  8. This may not be a popular opinion, but I say Good Riddance
    to Hotmail. Hotmail is not very reliable anyway, and it would
    be embarrassing to me if a correspondent asked for my email
    address and I gave him my Hotmail address. It's sort of
    like admitting you buy all your clothes at Kmart...

    Gary VanderMolen
     
    Gary VanderMolen, Apr 8, 2007
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  9. Ive tried to move all the contents of the windows mail file which went
    fine........but the mailstore file would not
    delete...................therefor.......when i restarted winmail..........it
    did not rework the files.....................what do i do
     
    Dominick Feragola, Apr 8, 2007
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  10. Dominick Feragola

    Peter Foldes Guest

    Peter Foldes, Apr 8, 2007
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  11. Dominick Feragola

    mikeyhsd Guest

    use Hot Pop for hotmail , works for me.

    www.fitsoftware.com







    Windows Mail looks like the old OUTLOOK, but with Outlook Express6 you could
    load and send all your Hotmail accounts in HTTP without going to the webside
    what was very handy and this is not be possible in Windows Mail.
    That for me it is using the old XP in stead of Vista, as it is to much
    trouble to cheque all the time, but Microsoft let us pay €19 a year for
    using this facillity and now it is not working any more in VISTA.
     
    mikeyhsd, Apr 8, 2007
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  12. Dominick Feragola

    DGuess Guest

    Windows Mail has a newer (to them) form of database. Each email is stored

    separately.



    Do the following:



    1) Open Control Panel then select Folder Options.

    a) click on the Views tab

    b) Select "Show hidden files and folders"

    c) Uncheck "Hide extensions for known file types"

    d) click APPLY then OK.

    e) Close Control Panel



    2) From Windows Mail

    a) Click on the Tools menu

    b) click on Options

    c) click on the Advanced tab

    d) click the Maintenance button

    e) click the Store Folders button.

    f) make a note of the location of the message stores. It will be

    something like:

    C:\Users\<account name>\AppData\Local\Microsoft\Windows Mail

    g) close Windows Mail



    3) Open Windows Explorer



    When it opens, you will see a small black triangle next to the user account

    name. Click it to collapse it.



    For the following, the triangle will not appear till you put the mouse over

    the element in question.



    Move the mouse to the "Computer" line. A triangle will appear, click on it

    to expand it.



    You should see something like "Local Disk (C:)"



    Click on the triangle to expand it.



    Locate "Users" and click on the triangle next to it to expand it.



    Locate <username> and click on the triangle next to it to expand it.



    Locate "AppData" and click on the triangle next to it to expand it.



    Locate "Local" and click on the triangle next to it to expand it.

    Locate "Microsoft" and click on the triangle next to it to expand it.



    Now, in the right window pane, locate Windows Mail.

    Click on it.



    In the left window pane, scroll upward till you see "Local Disk (C:)"



    Now, in the right window pane, hold them left mouse button down on the

    Windows Mail folder.

    Drag it to the "Local Disk (C:)" and release the mouse button.

    Select MOVE Here.......



    Now, this may take a bit to get done, depending upon how much mail is there.

    Give it time.



    Now, when it's done, create a new folder name Windows Mail to replace the

    moved one in the

    C:\Users\<account name>\AppData\Local\Microsoft folder.



    Now start Windows Mail.

    It will be empty but that's no biggie.



    Create a couple of folders in Windows Mail and name them Old Mail, Old

    Sent.

    Click on the Old Mail folder to open it.





    Resize Windows Mail so you can see both Windows Explorer and Windows Mail.



    In the Windows Mail folder you will see a Local Folders folder, click the

    triangle to expand it.



    Locate the Inbox folder.

    In this folder you will see a lot of .eml files. These are the old emails.

    Drag and drop ONLY the .eml files to the Old Mail folder in Windows Mail.



    Do similar for Sent Items to the Old Sent folder.



    Now, see if Windows Mail works for you.
     
    DGuess, Apr 9, 2007
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  13. Dominick Feragola

    Isaac Hunt Guest

    It's not a problem when you can just move the emails in Windows mail to
    Thunderbird, or another chosen app.
    You could run both side by side until you made a decision to stick with one
    or the other as many other apps leave messages on the server as an option.
    Also, Windows mail has only been out for 2 1/2 months so it's not like
    they've been using it for years.

    Shame WM wasn't properly tested in the beta.
     
    Isaac Hunt, Apr 9, 2007
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  14. Dominick Feragola

    Mickey Segal Guest

    If someone has imported Outlook Express mail into Windows Mail there can be
    a lot of material. Some of the worst problems of Windows Mail, such as the
    broken pasted hyperlinks, may not be obvious until some recipient points it
    out, so many people may have transferred lots of mail from XP computers and
    not yet realized there is a problem.

    Keeping everything on the server is OK for a few weeks, but for longer
    periods running a parallel system and deciding what to save is a bigger
    bother than the faults of Windows Mail. Transferring to Thunderbird and
    then back may work, but such transfers are sometimes problematic.

    I'm betting that Microsoft will fix the problem, but some sign from
    Microsoft that they plan to do so would be encouraging. For other Microsoft
    products, one gets hints of such fixes through MVPs, but I've seen no sign
    of that here.
     
    Mickey Segal, Apr 9, 2007
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  15. Dominick Feragola

    Isaac Hunt Guest

    I only mention thunderbird as an example, there are plenty of other free or
    commercial products better than WM IMO.
    Don't see the difficulty in running 2 email apps side by side to see which
    one you prefer.
    Also I don't see the problem in CTRL - A & dragging *.eml files from one app
    to another, that's how I moved all my emails from OE to WM & vice versa. I
    just stored them temporarily in dirs as *.eml files then selected them all &
    dragged them back to the folder I wanted in OE/WM.

    There's no real difficulty here & it's no big deal.
    Didn't touch the import function.

    I fail to see the point in using a broken program in the hope that someday,
    MS might get round to fixing it.
    I'd rather use a well functioning program today.
     
    Isaac Hunt, Apr 9, 2007
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  16. Dominick Feragola

    Mickey Segal Guest

    Transferring email messages from Outlook Express to Windows Mail worked
    fine. Going from Windows Mail to Thunderbird and then back would get me
    more nervous.

    I dumped Internet Explorer 7 because Microsoft made it clear during the beta
    that the restrictions in hiding or moving toolbar items were by design. If
    Microsoft made it clear that the broken pasted hyperlink problem was by
    design I would switch to Thunderbird now. I'm sure that others will be less
    willing than me to assume that Microsoft will fix serious bugs, and I can
    understand why they might switch now. But I like to be using products with
    large user communities and I hope that Microsoft fixes the pasted hyperlink
    bug quickly, or at least announces that they plan to do so.

    The scary thought is that so few people at Microsoft use Windows Mail that
    bugs won't be noticed. In the past there were several different ways to
    report bugs to Microsoft, and none of them seem to be active anymore.
    Recently I've only seen bug reporting programs during beta tests.

    How does one report a bug to Microsoft these days outside of the beta
    period? I've filed huge numbers of bug reports with Apple and Sun in recent
    years, but I haven't filed any Microsoft bugs outside of beta test periods
    in a few years. Is there still a way to do so?
     
    Mickey Segal, Apr 10, 2007
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  17. Dominick Feragola

    DGuess Guest

    Who says it wasn't tested properly? There's a lot you don't know and
    apparently won't know.

    One of the reasons you won't hear anything from the MVPs right now is caused
    by NDA,
     
    DGuess, Apr 10, 2007
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  18. Dominick Feragola

    Isaac Hunt Guest

    I only mention thunderbird as an example, there are plenty of other free


    I don't see the reasononing behind being nervous about switching email apps.
    Surely the best route would be to install the app of your choice, move your
    emails accross, use the new app & ensure it is to your liking, uninstall old
    app if relevent.

    I fail to see the risk here.

    I've moved all my emails between WM/OE & TB & didn't lose a byte.

    I don't know how to file bug reports to MS, maybe use the error reporting
    option automatically?

    But I prefer to vote with my feet.

    IMO WM is probably the worst email app I have used for a long time.
    OE isn't brilliant, but it's better than WM.

    and I don't think it can be uninstalled in Vista?
     
    Isaac Hunt, Apr 10, 2007
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  19. Dominick Feragola

    golfwidow1 Guest

    Isaac you and Steve seem to have what's going on with windows mail down, and
    Dguess sounds like a microsoft commerical. I have been working on trying to
    get some answers for 4 weeks. Everything seems to work fine except windows
    mail and it is going to make me older than I am. It takes over a minute to
    get reply or forward up. And the contacts forget it . No one has told me
    how to see my folders that I saved from OE and if I find them how to bulk
    mail. I have a new machine HP load with vista home premium , 1 gb ram , amd
    3800 and it locks up occasionally more than my xp ever did , about as much as
    my 98 did, so I think Microsoft has gone backwards and I don't care about
    "databases" just want speed and free of fixes. The last fix Dguess gave
    Domnick made me throwup although it probably did fix the problem.
     
    golfwidow1, Apr 11, 2007
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  20. Dominick Feragola

    DGuess Guest

    Gee, you sound like someone that needs to hunt the box back up.
     
    DGuess, Apr 11, 2007
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