Windows Mail ot Mozilla Thunderbird?

Discussion in 'Windows Vista General Discussion' started by William R. Mosher, Jul 8, 2006.

  1. Which is the better email client, Windows Mail or Mozilla Thunderbird? I know Windows Mail is still beta, but I find that they are so close that I switch between the two and it does not seem very different.

    William R. Mosher, Jul 8, 2006
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  2. William R. Mosher

    Ground Cover Guest

    Windows Mail is better, much better. I don't let Firefox/Thunderbird on my
    system and strongly recommend against them. Firefox is a steamy pile of
    holes and vulnerabilites - a "fool's gold" of security. My brother wanted to
    try it once - no sooner had we put it on his system the Java VM that came
    with it got compromised - junk. The only reason it is popular is because
    people mindlessly knee-jerk enjoy bashing things Microsoft, not because of
    its technical merit (of which it has little).
    Ground Cover, Jul 8, 2006
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  3. William R. Mosher

    jonah Guest

    Thats cos its not very different, just prettier.
    You are taking the piss man, Lookout Express has been a security
    nigtmare for years and still is. OE & Winmail still has HTML mail set
    as default - which is completely ludicrous. The "address book" has
    been the biggest spreader of viruses around the world from the word go
    because it is hopelessly insecure and set to add new contacts by
    default. IE & Lookout Express get security update once a month,
    Firefox and Thunderbird evet few days if necessary. Hacking an OE or
    Hotmail account is pretty straightforward, my granny could do it with
    a list of instructions.

    Firefox with Noscript & Ad block installed is so much better than
    IE6/7 / its in a different league.

    Set it up right, with the correct extensions and it will be fine.

    jonah, Jul 9, 2006
  4. I'll stay with Opera, thank-you very much.
    Mark D. VandenBerg, Jul 9, 2006
  5. William R. Mosher

    jonah Guest

    Well yeah that too, I like Opera.

    jonah, Jul 9, 2006
  6. I have been using OE for years. Set to display HTML and set for the
    Internet Zone. Never got infected. Of course, I know I didn't win a
    million dollars and that Microsoft didn't send me a patch. No one in a
    foreign country needs my help to transfer money, either.
    Frank Saunders, MS-MVP OE/WM, Jul 9, 2006
  7. William R. Mosher

    jonah Guest

    On Sat, 8 Jul 2006 20:19:31 -0500, "Frank Saunders, MS-MVP OE/WM"


    I never got infected via OE either cos I never used it, fixed plenty
    of peoples machines that do use OE. You are either dead lucky, got a
    good spam filter, Johnny no mates, or very knowlegable, I suspect the

    The "Lookout Express" tag was not earned for nothing was it?


    jonah, Jul 9, 2006
  8. William R. Mosher

    Ground Cover Guest

    If one regularly opens attachments using a non-OE email client instead of
    OE, will somehow lower the risk of a malware attack? No.

    Do you think that Thunderbird will somehow magically protect someone who
    will open every attachment sent to him or her?

    I just don't get the point you are trying to make. I've never succumbed to a
    malware attack through Outlook nor through Outlook Express. But them I don't
    open those screensavers. I don't think it takes *that* much computer savy
    here. And if a person is so clueless as to open those .scr and .exe and .com
    files attached to SPAM, well, how is Thunderbird (or whatever) supposed to
    protect them?

    Currently, OE installs set to the Restricted Zone. You can set it to read
    everything in plain text. Free software like AVG can screen everything
    coming in.
    Ground Cover, Jul 9, 2006
  9. Your mention of AVG Antivirus software interests me. I did not know that
    this software was compatible with Windows Vista. A check of their website
    does not make mention of any compatibility with Vista, as far as, I can see.
    If I am wrong - I stand corrected !!
    JRH ......................
    Administrator\\jhafele, Jul 9, 2006
  10. William R. Mosher

    Ground Cover Guest

    Administrator\jhafele wrote:

    The thread turned into a discussion OE.
    Ground Cover, Jul 9, 2006
  11. William R. Mosher

    Jonah Guest

    You are correct in what you say, no E Mail client can protet from
    opening attachments. My main problem with OE is the vast amount of
    attacks that then use OEs' address book to propagate themselves. Other
    E Mail clients - Courier for eg are not vunerable to these sort of
    attacks, one PC may be infected but it will not re-transmit infected e
    mails to all others in the address book because the address book is

    Thats my beef with OE, due to its popularity (through being installed
    as default and deeply embeded in the OS) plus its close association
    with that other devils spawn Windows Messenger it is highly
    susceptible to attack and the most likely target.

    Jonah, Jul 9, 2006
  12. The majority of the malware today searches the whole hard drive for email
    addresses, not just the WAB.
    Frank Saunders, MS-MVP OE, Jul 9, 2006
  13. .... which then makes only the Ted Stevens' of the world truly safe... an
    irony of epic proportion!
    Mark D. VandenBerg, Jul 9, 2006
  14. William R. Mosher

    jonah Guest

    It can search all it likes if the e mail address book is encrypted it
    won't be able to send anything, my courier mail on WinXP has its
    actual mail box sitting on a Linux box, its not even on the HDD, just
    the front end sits on windows. Incidentaly restoring, moving a mailbox
    to another PC is dead easy, unlike the rigmarole you have to wade
    through with OE.

    If you like OE then fine, if you know what you are doing thats even
    better, IMHO there are many far better e mail clients out there.


    jonah, Jul 9, 2006
  15. William R. Mosher

    Eck Guest

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    I've used Firefox and Thunderbird for several years. I wanted to test out
    IE7 in Vista but the Favorites section doesn't expand any of my folders so
    it's useless. I installed Firefox and Thunderbird and I'm happy again.
    Eck, Jul 10, 2006
  16. William R. Mosher

    Ground Cover Guest

    Actually it did. Now it doesn't - wonder why?
    Ground Cover, Jul 10, 2006
  17. William R. Mosher

    Bernie Guest

    I never saw any need to move to Firefox or Thunderbird until about a
    year ago when I discovered how cool Firefox was with extensions. I also
    switched to Thunderbird for no real good reason other than I liked Firefox.

    Using Vista I started with IE 7 and Windows Mail because they were there
    and I need to know them for professional reasons but I also installed
    Firefox and Thunderbird to see if they worked with Vista.

    I think there have been some good improvements to IE but it still has a
    way to go. Windows Mail looks like it will be better than Thunderbird.
    Just a small thing but I like that I can "watch" a newsgroup thread with
    a single click in WM but can't find a way to do the same in Thunderbird.

    I don't have any axe to grind either way here. I still feel betrayed by
    MS over the destruction of Visual Basic so have no loyalty reason to
    support them. And I think most of the hype surrounding Firefox regarding
    security is just MS bashing. Firefox has had quite a few security
    updates too.
    Bernie, Jul 12, 2006
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