Windows Vista - A dog's breakfast!

Discussion in 'Windows Vista Help' started by Dr. Bill, Mar 21, 2007.

  1. Dr. Bill

    Venom Guest

    And as I wrote, Vista Starter is as basic as you can get but even that
    version requires a very ballsy computer to run it.
    As I see it, there wouldn't be too many people who are going to bin their
    relatively new Athlon64s and P4s and buy new computers just to run Vista.
    You said that Vista was not for us. They say that a fool and his money are
    soon parted so I guess you must mean Vista is for them then. Let's see which
    way it goes.
    I can't help but notice a lack of press reports regarding sales of Vista or
    even strong sales of new branded computers made from the best quality
    factory seconds. Don't misunderstand me. I am not knocking Gates and his
    dreams. I have no problems with XP Pro and everything that runs sweetly on
    it. God bless the corp key even. I love the way that I can click on any app
    and it opens instantly and works perfectly for me. Burning DVDs and still
    being able to do other stuff while that is happening is pretty cool too
    because I am not wasting my time.
    I love my XPee Pro and I love the way that apart from SP1 I have never had
    to update it with these stupid patches etc. I have no problems with my
    computers at all and that is what I think computing is all about.
    I don't tolerate guns that don't shoot straight, knives that won't hold an
    edge and motor cycles and cars that do not work properly so I certainly will
    not tolerate a shit OS let alone a computer that when it boots up, the
    lights in the street go dim and I won't need a heater in the den in winter.
    Venom, Mar 30, 2007
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  2. Dr. Bill

    Moonbat Guest

    The computer industry is in a bit of a slump. Nothing really new
    hardware wise, and the same old same old software wise. So Vista comes
    along, requiring users to upgrade hardware and software!
    Moonbat, Mar 31, 2007
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  3. Dr. Bill

    Moonbat Guest

    I can't see adding a lot of new hardware just to run an OS!
    But, as you say below, moving to Windows 3.11 required a certain amount of
    RAM. But that's RAM. Not RAM and Video and taking up quite a large chunk
    of HDD real estate.

    Windows 3.11, '95 and NT could run just fine on 64M, not bad on 32M, and
    like a 'wet week' (I like that one...) on 16.

    But, you didn't HAVE to upgrade video just to get the most out of the OS!
    Windows 3.11 would run on a 286, and '95 would run on a 386.

    Doesn't seem worth the $$$$ to me!
    Moonbat, Mar 31, 2007
  4. Dr. Bill

    Ian O Guest

    Heard it all before when XP came out, 2000, various 9x releases...

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    Ian O, Mar 31, 2007
  5. Dr. Bill

    Moonbat Guest

    Bwahaha! Great analogy!

    But, I did have Vista running on an Athlon 64; I just didn't like it. A
    few good features, but overall, just not worth going out and buying retail
    (at their prices!).

    If I want to run it again, the Beta should be good, but I'll have to
    install and finish upgrades by July...after that all support for the Betas
    goes Bye-Bye.

    So, I blew it away and loaded SuSE 10.2, with grphics acceleration and
    Beryl, etc instead. Young Bill should really have a look at Beryl and
    Compiz before setting his dogs loose again...
    Moonbat, Apr 2, 2007
  6. Dr. Bill

    Moonbat Guest

    Hmmm...when I went to buy XP, I tried to find an 'Emerging Markets'
    version, but they are unavailable in the US. Basically, XP without all the
    crap. But the hardware (Video Cam) I had wouldn't work with Home, so I had
    to get Pro...for $100 more!

    Would be nice to have a 'trimmed down' version...but I believe they called
    it NT 4.0... ;)
    Moonbat, Apr 2, 2007
  7. Dr. Bill

    Venom Guest

    There is one old codger in our group of oldies who is always rooting around
    with this Linucks stuff and he said more or less exactly what you just said
    when he was here the other day. I really must get off my fat lazy complacent
    arse and coerse him to come around and load a copy of whatever he is using
    just so that I can see for myself.
    Venom, Apr 2, 2007
  8. Dr. Bill

    Venom Guest

    If you changed the flag on your boat to a ragged basic black and white flag
    and sailed into dangerous waters you would have discovered that the lads out
    there have made what is called XP Pro Lite. Just like they did to Win98SE
    years ago.
    There is also a "cut to the bone" version of these XP Pro's out there too.
    To my way of thinking it is exactly what an Operating System is supposed to
    be if I have my facts right. I understand an OS is something that makes or
    helps the applications to work well. My point being is I guess if the likely
    lads out there can do it why then can't Microsoft?
    Venom, Apr 2, 2007
  9. Dr. Bill

    Moonbat Guest

    You mean the Linux or the Vista?

    Linux can be kludgey, esp if you haven't used it before. It took me THREE
    DAYS to get my ATi card (or rather, the correct drivers) to go into 3D
    acceleration so I could use the Whiz-Bang desktop effects. But when it
    kicked in, the effects make Aero look like Kiddie stuff! Yeah, there's
    more to an OS than a cool desktop, ut considering what you get, AND
    graphics that turn heads, all running on a lesser computer than required
    by Vista, and FREE! I'd say it's a bargain!

    You can download a Sabayon DVD and run it off the DVD. It will query your
    graphics while loading, and if it can find the right interface it will ask
    you when the X-Server starts if you want Desktop Effects. This way, you
    can try it without having to install it.

    Warning though: DON'T WRITE TO YOUR HARD DRIVE! Linux is still
    incompatible with writing to NTFS drives; it will read them just fine. I
    often use Knoppix (a version that loads from CD) to rescue my Windows
    installs when they blow their brains out. I usualy cut the drive in half,
    1/2 NTFS, on half either REISERFS (linux) or FAT32; linux can read/write
    to FAT32. So, I load up a CD version, transfer the data, reboot and reload
    and transfer the data back. You can also load it onto a USB disk formatted
    for FAT32. Makes an excellent rescue vehicle!

    You can also get DSL (Damn Small Linux) and load it onto a 'thumb drive',
    if the BIOS supports booting from USB you can boot from the USB Stick and
    get to a dead OS. We do this at work all the time! Your knowledge of Linux
    has to be a bit better, though, since you only have 512M to work from.

    There are LOTS of uses for Linux; one caveat: multimedia is not close to
    Windows. The gap is closing, but in the 64 bit versions, flash doesn't
    work, and some video formats throw it off, even if you (think you) have
    all the Codecs loaded!

    I use Windows to visit web sites Linux 64 can't handle, use my scanners,
    and Paint Shop Pro. Everything else is on Linux.
    Moonbat, Apr 3, 2007
  10. Dr. Bill

    Moonbat Guest

    THey do...and they sell it in 3rd World countries, Export Only.

    And as far as messing with anything? um, I had a 15 month 'vacation' for
    'messing' with things...NO THANKS!!!! I'll stick to my FREE Linux
    distributions before I try to hack or download a hack ever again!
    If I can find it for sale, licensed, then I would buy it legit, if I could
    get a scaled down version. Other than that, I guess I'll stick with my
    Full Priced, overbloated Official version...this way, I don't have to look
    over my shoulder!!! ;)
    Moonbat, Apr 3, 2007
  11. Dr. Bill

    Guest Guest

    I don't see why you bothered to run Vista on an oldie PC, particularly
    the crippled Vista starter. See MSs Vista requirements and x2 or x3 it.
    Those on Vista challenged PCs should just stay where they are.

    Yes companies won't upgrade to Vista until their hardware upgrade time
    has arrived.
    I know a chap who just got a new work PC and they ordered it with XP.
    Their IS dept. just wasn't ready to service a few Vista PCs.
    Guest, May 10, 2007
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    Venom Guest

    Well Vista is definately for you then.
    Venom, May 11, 2007
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    Mac G Guest

    You haven't heard yet? >:)

    Apple has for several years with OS X...
    It's very efficient and safe.

    Plus Apple's current Macs can also run your Windows in several ways...
    Mac G, May 11, 2007
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    who Guest

    Windows PCs have been a slump, but Apple's Mac business is continually
    growing at a very good rate. This is without a new MacOS version in a
    few years.
    who, May 11, 2007
  15. It seems that new computers come with Vista and
    you have to pay more to get them with XP.

    It's worth it.

    Chester Wilson, Oct 15, 2007
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