windows vista antivirus programs !!

Discussion in 'Windows Vista Security' started by cameccas, Jul 27, 2008.

  1. cameccas

    cameccas Guest

    Hi why does everytime i download an antivirus program like MC AFEE or NORTON
    my computer starts running more slowly ? it even freezes,why? doesn't it has
    to run better because it's cleaning all the bad stuff??
    I even baught the NORTON 360 ALL-IN-ONE SECURITY and it made my computer run
    very ,very slow !!! what program can I get that would make my PC run better
    and safe ??
     
    cameccas, Jul 27, 2008
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  2. Install a good, comprehensive, security program,
    such as Windows OneCare, and you'll not have to
    worry about those issues. You can try it FREE
    for ninety (90) days. This is a brand new version
    and is very robust! Uses very little system resources!
    http://onecare.live.com/standard/en-us/default.htm

    --
    Carey Frisch
    Microsoft MVP
    Windows Desktop Experience -
    Windows Vista Enthusiast

    ---------------------------------------------------------------

    Hi why does everytime i download an antivirus program like MC AFEE or NORTON
    my computer starts running more slowly ? it even freezes,why? doesn't it has
    to run better because it's cleaning all the bad stuff??
    I even baught the NORTON 360 ALL-IN-ONE SECURITY and it made my computer run
    very ,very slow !!! what program can I get that would make my PC run better
    and safe ??
     
    Carey Frisch [MVP], Jul 27, 2008
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    Nonny Guest

    Dump ALL Norton and McAfee programs. Completely uninstall them. They
    definitely slow things down. Have done so for years.

    Download AVG antivirus or Avast antivirus. Both are free.
     
    Nonny, Jul 27, 2008
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    Mick Murphy Guest

    Norton uses at least a 1/3 of your computer's resources; that's the reason
    for slowness!
    Use Products listed below.

    And Live One Care is just a another money-grabbing program from microsoft,
    which does NOT work for complete protection.

    http://www.avast.com/eng/download-avast-home.html

    Avast Anti-Virus is Vista compatible (32bit and 64bit Versions), FREE,
    auto-updating, and a low resources user of your computer.
    And, only have 1(one) Anti-Virus installed / running on your computer at any
    one time..
    Conflicts may occur if you have more than 1(one).

    http://www.spybot.info/en/index.html

    Spybot Search & Destroy 1.6 is a very good, FREE Anti-Spyware Program.
    Download, install, update, and immunize your System with it.
    Then SCAN with it.
    Update it, and scan your System once a fortnight.

    -
    Mick Murphy - Qld - Australia
     
    Mick Murphy, Jul 27, 2008
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  5. Carey Frisch [MVP], Jul 27, 2008
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    Nonny Guest

    Nonny, Jul 27, 2008
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  7. With the excellent Windows OneCare package, there is
    no need to install a multitude of different security software.

    OneCare includes:

    -- An excellent antivirus application
    -- An excellent firewall application
    -- An excellent antispyware application
    -- Automatic system tune-ups
    -- Automatic hard drive defrag
    -- Checks for updates to be sure they are installed
    -- Schedules automatic backups of important files
    -- New version 2.5 just released - designed to work
    exceptionally well with Windows Vista & XP.
    -- All-in-one convenient, easy to install application


    --
    Carey Frisch
    Microsoft MVP
    Windows Desktop Experience -
    Windows Vista Enthusiast

    ---------------------------------------------------------------

    Norton uses at least a 1/3 of your computer's resources; that's the reason
    for slowness!
    Use Products listed below.

    And Live One Care is just a another money-grabbing program from microsoft,
    which does NOT work for complete protection.

    http://www.avast.com/eng/download-avast-home.html

    Avast Anti-Virus is Vista compatible (32bit and 64bit Versions), FREE,
    auto-updating, and a low resources user of your computer.
    And, only have 1(one) Anti-Virus installed / running on your computer at any
    one time..
    Conflicts may occur if you have more than 1(one).

    http://www.spybot.info/en/index.html

    Spybot Search & Destroy 1.6 is a very good, FREE Anti-Spyware Program.
    Download, install, update, and immunize your System with it.
    Then SCAN with it.
    Update it, and scan your System once a fortnight.

    -
    Mick Murphy - Qld - Australia
     
    Carey Frisch [MVP], Jul 27, 2008
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    Nonny Guest

    Nonny, Jul 27, 2008
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    Mick Murphy Guest

    SPAM
    --
    Mick Murphy - Qld - Australia


    :
     
    Mick Murphy, Jul 27, 2008
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    Kayman Guest

    A number of experts agree that the retail AV version of McAfee, Norton and
    Trend Micro has become cumbersome and bloated for the average user.

    The major criticisms are related to stability and footprint, the most
    common problem being slow-downs because of the massive system resources
    hogs. There are products on the market with equal or better test results
    than Symantec's products, consuming less resources at a lower price (even
    free ones).

    The retail version of these apps can play havoc with your pc. Uninstall it
    using propriety uninstall tools:

    Download and run the Norton Removal Tool and try to get a refund:
    http://service1.symantec.com/SUPPORT/tsgeninfo.nsf/docid/2005033108162039
    The Norton Removal Tool uninstalls all Norton 2008/2007/2006/2005/2004/2003
    products and Norton 360 from your computer.

    Removal tools for recent Mcafee products:-
    Request assistance from here:
    http://forums.mcafeehelp.com/
    or download and run:
    http://www.majorgeeks.com/McAfee_Consumer_Product_Removal_Tool_d5420.html
    or
    http://service.mcafee.com/FAQDocument.aspx?id=107083&lc=1033&partner=10005&type=TS
    or
    Download and run the McAfee Removal tool:
    https://us.mcafee.com/root/MCPR2.exe
    If you receive a security alert, click Yes.
    Click Save to download the file to a location on your computer.
    Navigate to the location where the file was saved.
    Ensure all McAfee application windows are closed.
    Double-click MCPR2.exe to run the removal tool.
    Note: Windows Vista users must right-click and select Run as Administrator.
    Restart your computer when prompted. Your McAfee products will not be fully
    removed until you restart.
    All McAfee products are now removed from your computer.'
    or
    Remove all remnants of McAfee...
    http://www.softpedia.com/get/Tweak/Uninstallers/McAfee-Consumer-Product-Removal-Tool.shtml

    How to uninstall or reinstall supported McAfee consumer products using the
    McAfee Consumer Products Removal tool (MCPR.exe)
    http://service.mcafee.com/FAQDocument.aspx?id=107083&lc=4105&partner=McAfee&type=TS&ia=1

    IMPORTANT: If your McAfee products were preinstalled by the manufacturer of
    your computer, please make sure to activate your McAfee subscription before
    uninstalling. Reinstalling from a CD or download will only install your
    McAfee consumer applications, but may not recover your paid subscription
    term information.

    There are many good free AV applications available, and almost everyone has
    his favorite. Most of the users are emotionally attached to their av
    application and will have excellent reasons for not recommending any other
    brand.
    The most important thing here is that all of the available choices listed
    here are better in some respects than in others, and which choice is better
    for *you* depends on what you do, how you work, and which features you use.
    The way you use your PC is different from others.
    Have a look at this:
    http://www.spywarewarrior.com/rogue_anti-spyware.htm
    and be guided accordingly.
    Good info can be obtained here:
    http://www.majorgeeks.com/page.php?id=20
    and here:
    http://www.av-comparatives.org/

    If the above is too deluging consider this:-
    Real-time AV applications - for viral malware.
    Do not utilize more than one (1) real-time anti-virus scanning engine!
    Disable the e-mail scanning function during installation (Custom
    Installation on some AV apps.) as it provides no additional protection.

    Why You Don't Need Your Anti-Virus Program to Scan Your E-Mail
    http://thundercloud.net/infoave/tutorials/email-scanning/index.htm
    Viral Irony: The Most Common Cause of Corruption.
    http://www.microsoft.com/windows/IE/community/columns/filecorruption.mspx

    Avira AntiVir® Personal - FREE Antivirus
    http://www.free-av.com/
    You may wish to consider removing the 'AntiVir Nagscreen'
    http://www.elitekiller.com/files/disable_antivir_nag.htm
    or
    Free antivirus - avast! 4 Home Edition
    It includes ANTI-SPYWARE protection, certified by the West Coast Labs
    Checkmark process, and ANTI-ROOTKIT DETECTION based on the best-in class
    GMER technology.
    http://www.avast.com/eng/avast_4_home.html
    (Choose Custom Installation and under Resident
    Protection, uncheck: Internet Mail and Outlook/Exchange.)
    or
    AVG Anti-Virus Free Edition
    http://free.grisoft.com/
    (Choose custom install and untick the email scanner plugin.)
    or
    ESET NOD32 Antivirus - Not Free
    http://www.eset.com/
    or
    Kaspersky® Anti-Virus 7.0 - Not Free
    http://www.kaspersky.com/homeuser

    and (optional but highly recommendable)

    On-demand AV applications.
    (add them to your arsenal and use them as a "second opinion" av scanner).
    David H. Lipman's MULTI_AV Tool
    http://www.pctipp.ch/ds/28400/28470/Multi_AV.exe
    http://www.pctipp.ch/downloads/dl/35905.asp
    English:
    http://www.raymond.cc/blog/archives/2008/01/09/scan-your-computer-with-multiple-anti-virus-for-free/
    Additional Instructions:
    http://pcdid.com/Multi_AV.htm
    and/or
    http://downloads5.kaspersky-labs.com/devbuilds/AVPTool/
    There's no updating involved since the scanning engine is updated
    several times a day and you simply download the updated scanner whenever
    you want to do a scan.

    Dr.Web CureIt!® Utility - FREE
    http://www.freedrweb.com/cureit/

    Malwarebytes© Corporation - Anti-Malware
    http://www.malwarebytes.org/mbam/program/mbam-setup.exe
    Note: It is Free for private use. Just download (do NOT buy) and install.

    A-S applications - for non-viral malware.
    The effectiveness of an individual A-S scanners can be wide-ranging and
    oftentimes a collection of scanners is best. There isn't one software that
    cleans and immunizes you against everything. That's why you need multiple
    products to do the job i.e. overlap their coverage - one may catch what
    another may miss, (grab'em all).

    SuperAntispyware - Free
    http://www.superantispyware.com/superantispywarefreevspro.html
    and
    Ad-Aware 2007 - Free
    http://www.lavasoftusa.com/products/ad_aware_free.php
    http://www.download.com/3000-2144-10045910.html
    and
    Spybot Search & Destroy - Free
    http://www.safer-networking.org/en/download/index.html
    and
    Windows Defender - Free (build-in in Vista)
    http://www.microsoft.com/athome/security/spyware/software/default.mspx
    WD monitors the start-registry and hooks registers/files to prevent spyware
    and worms to install to the OS.
    Interesting reading:
    http://www.pcworld.com/article/id,136195/article.html
    "...Windows Defender did excel in behavior-based protection, which detects
    changes to key areas of the system without having to know anything about
    the actual threat."

    A clarification on the terminology: the word "malware" is short for
    "malicious software." Most Anti-Virus applications detect many types of
    malware such as viruses, worms, trojans, etc.
    What AV applications usually don't detect is "non-viral" malware, and the
    term "non-viral malware" is normally used to refer to things like spyware
    and adware.

    Many experts suggest that Windows Live One Care is on the bottom of the
    list as far as finding virus\malware\trojan.

    You are not going to find anything better than the Vista FW and Vista in
    itself due to the advanced features the FW and Vista are using.

    Managing the Windows Vista Firewall
    http://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/magazine/cc510323.aspx

    Vista Firewall Control (Free versions available).
    Protects your applications from undesirable network incoming and outgoing
    activity, controls applications internet access.
    http://sphinx-soft.com/Vista/
    The free version may be all you need, check the comparisons under
    the "Download and Buy" link.

    Good luck :)
     
    Kayman, Jul 27, 2008
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    Charlie42 Guest

    Ok, mr. Frisch. You have been ardently advocating OneCare in the Vista
    newsgroups for quite some time now, why is that? I am not trolling here, I
    just want to hear your reasons for picking this suite over more seasoned
    software on the market.
    Afaik, OneCare's performance is inferior to that of programs like Kaspersky,
    AVG, Avast, NOD32 or even the dreaded Norton. I base this statement on test
    results from renowned sites like AV-Comparatives and Virus Bulletin.
    The registry cleaning part of OneCare has been heavily critisised, both
    because many experts mean automated registry cleaning in general is
    unnecessary and potentially harmful and because OneCare does not back up the
    registry before executing changes (has this changed lately, btw?)
    This is included in the Vista OS. Why a third party tool?
    The same can be said for a number of security softwares. Scheduling and
    updating is part of any decent suite or AV program.

    Charlie42
     
    Charlie42, Jul 27, 2008
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  12. It's slowing down precisely because you are trying to use the bloated,
    resource hogging applications from Norton or McAfee. There are far
    bettwer choices available, today.


    You're assuming that there was "bad stuff" present to clean out in the
    first place, when there might not have been, and forgetting that any
    application you install is going to take an additional toll on system
    performance. Norton and McAfee offer two of the better known security
    suites, but their products are also best known for having a very
    noticable negative impact upon performance.


    You'll get nearly as many differing opinions as you will responses.

    I'll start by saying that I don't think any security "suite" is a
    good choice. It'd be better to use smaller, less-resource-draining
    stand-alone products.

    I had used, and recommended, Norton Antivirus and then Norton
    Internet Security, for many years, on Win98, WinNT, Win2K, and WinXP,
    all without any significant problems. I had used McAfee prior to that.
    But it's been several years since I've been tempted to try McAfee
    products. Their quality seemed to take a steep nose-dive after they were
    acquired by Network Associates.

    However, when my subscription to Symantec's updates for Norton
    Internet Security came up for renewal (at a cost substantially higher
    than the preceding year's subscription), I decided to try less expensive
    solutions. I downloaded and installed the free version of GriSoft's AVG
    (http://www.grisoft.com/us/us_dwnl_free.php ). It proved to be easily
    installed, easy to use, and quite effective. Additionally, I was
    pleasantly surprised to see a small but very noticeable improvement in
    my PC's performance, once I'd replaced the Symantec product. Another
    free (for personal use) anti-virus product is AVAST! 4 Home Edition
    (http://www.avast.com/eng/avast_4_home.html), which is what I'd been
    using without problems on Vista Business, until recently. I'm currently
    testing ESET's NOD32, which isn't free, but has a small footprint that
    doesn't bog the system down.

    For a recent comparison of anti-virus products:

    Retrospective / ProActive Test
    http://www.av-comparatives.org/


    --

    Bruce Chambers

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    They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary
    safety deserve neither liberty nor safety. ~Benjamin Franklin

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    killed a great many philosophers.
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    Bruce Chambers, Jul 27, 2008
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  13. Norton is probably the worst security software on the market, and
    McAfee isn't much better. Both of these are notorious for adversely
    affecting your computer's performance.

    For an anti-virus product, I recommend NOD32 if you want to spend a
    little money, or Avast, if you want a free product.

    For anti-spyware, I would run at least two from the following list:

    Spyware Blaster
    Spybot Search and Destroy
    Adaware
    Super Antispyware.
     
    Ken Blake, MVP, Jul 27, 2008
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    Xenomorph Guest

    McAfee and Norton are some of the worst programs to put on any system, and
    many people recommend you don't use them.

    AVG or Avast! would be the best choice.
     
    Xenomorph, Jul 27, 2008
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  15. More software running will always make your "other" programs
    seem slower. Your computer still runs at the same speed, but
    it is doing more than is manifested by the "other" programs you
    run.

    Norton does alot of stuff in the background (actually, too much
    IMO). You may be the type of user that would benefit from the
    Norton 360 approach, so I won't try to dissuade you from using
    it.

    My advice is to avail yourself of the "support" Symantec (Norton)
    owes you due to your purchasing their product.

    Others will no doubt recommend alternative programs (many are
    free). Don't interpret my post as being against this option, as I
    use Avast! antivirusfree version myself.
     
    FromTheRafters, Jul 27, 2008
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  16. I have been using Panda Software's products both at home and on our
    corporate network for several years with good results. Panda doesn't impact
    system performance too much (all realtime AV solutions impact system
    performance) and I haven't had a virus at home. The two zero day exploits
    that made it through at work were stopped by Panda's heuristic based scanner
    on the machines that downloaded them from the internet.

    As for Norton - it requires a supercomputer to perform decently. As for
    McAffee - their AV product simply misses too many viruii.

    Mike Ober.
     
    Michael D. Ober, Jul 27, 2008
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    Aardvark Guest

    I installed Windows Onecare and it works for me. I ran it against Gibson
    research

    http://www.grc.com/

    and it passed with flying colors. I use a cable connection and have
    Weather Display software communicating every minute with somewhere and
    McAfee and Norton was not compaitible with my software. So.. I had to find
    something that worked. This works for me, it is a good anti-virus and
    firewall.

    I don't care for its lack of cleaning cookies ( so I use CCLeaner) and not
    sure if it does have a registry cleaner or not associated with it ( I had
    to get a 64 bit compatible cleaner which found 709 errors on a new machine ).
    But other than that..

    My opinion... I'd say try what works for you and your needs and go with
    it.
     
    Aardvark, Jul 27, 2008
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    Nonny Guest

    That is only a firewall check. Windows' native firewal - the free one
    that comes with Vista - l would pass too. So would any of the free
    third-party firewalls.

    I passed several tests with NO software firewall installed (I have a
    router between my computer and my cable modem).
     
    Nonny, Jul 27, 2008
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  19. AV-Comparatives and Virus Bulletin have not tested OneCare v.2.5
    When they do, you'll be quite surprised how OneCare has progressed
    from v.2.0

    --
    Carey Frisch
    Microsoft MVP
    Windows Desktop Experience -
    Windows System & Performance
     
    Carey Frisch [MVP], Jul 27, 2008
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    Kayman Guest

    On Sun, 27 Jul 2008 11:21:12 -0700, Ken Blake, MVP wrote:

    In all fairness, it's their *retail* version which can play havoc with
    pc's. AFAIK the *corporate* isues are pretty good :)
     
    Kayman, Jul 28, 2008
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